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Yup, that goes to show you that regardless of the fluff CMS front-end software, be it CK, EX, MF or otherwise, very misleading information can be provided.
Joe, do you have any negative items anywhere on your credit reports (anything in the last 7 years or so)?
3 * 30 days late payments with BofA and 1 charge off with Citi. Most recent late payment with BofA was in Sept 2015 (3.2 years), first late was April 2015 (3.7 years). While Citi charge off was settled in April 2016, DOFD was March 2015 (3.8 years). 80% paid as agreed would be 4 open accounts, 3 accounts with 0 missed payments and 4th is BofA.
@Anonymous wrote:I'm tired of all these fluff CMS front-end pages showing varying degrees of "payment history." If someone has no late payments at all on their credit report, their payment history is exceptional. If someone has 1 or more late payments, IMO their payment history is "poor." There's no in between with this fair, good, very good stuff I see all the time. The image from Experian that I placed below shows "fair" payment history. This person has 4 dirty accounts from the last year and late payments as great as 120 days just 1 month ago on their reports... but the fluff summary says that's "fair?" Come on now.
It's not OK to miss a payment. I think it's crucial for all members of this forum, especially those that are newer and here trying to learn to understand that anything less than perfect/exceptional payment history (even 1 late payment) is a sign of high risk and FICO scoring will consider that accordingly.
A few thoughts:
Why would a perfect payment history be considered exceptional? There's nothing exceptional about it - people are doing what they should be doing anyway, and that's not praise-worthy. Maybe it should be poor and ok, or bad and not bad.
I usually look at the good/very good/etc scoring like coin/card conditions. There needs to be some rating beyond binary, as it's also obvious that lates affect scoring in different ways depending on severity and last occurence. A 4 year old 30 day late is not the same as a 4 year old 120 day late, just as a 4 year old 30 day late isn't the same as a 2 month old 30 day late. This is using the terms to show relative impact in a scoring model and not whether said actions were ok or not ok.
If the underlying aim is to soapbox good financial behavior, this particular issue is among the least important to tackle. The number of people on this forum who use cards as emergency savings instead of actual savings, think cards equate to cash available to spend, skirt with MS just to chase bonuses, or who buy $75,000 cars on their $125,000 salary while saving 0-2% for retirement instead of 15% are much more in need of a good talking to than whether a box showing their payment history is red, yellow or green. Fix those problems and ones like this become non-issues.
Why would a perfect payment history be considered exceptional? There's nothing exceptional about it - people are doing what they should be doing anyway, and that's not praise-worthy. Maybe it should be poor and ok, or bad and not bad.
I think perhaps you're misunderstanding the point of this thread completely, or you haven't read any of the follow-up posts. Bad/not bad has already been covered; discussed was "meets expectations" verses "does not meet expectations." Same thing. I feel like you're getting too caught up in the fluff wording here when that isn't the point. I used the word "exceptional" because that's what the fluff front-end software uses to indicate no missed payments. It has nothing to do with being praise-worthy; all it states is that we're talking a clean report and my overall thesis is simply that a report is clean or it's not.
I usually look at the good/very good/etc scoring like coin/card conditions. There needs to be some rating beyond binary, as it's also obvious that lates affect scoring in different ways depending on severity and last occurence. A 4 year old 30 day late is not the same as a 4 year old 120 day late, just as a 4 year old 30 day late isn't the same as a 2 month old 30 day late. This is using the terms to show relative impact in a scoring model and not whether said actions were ok or not ok.
This would be where different bucketing takes place. It has nothing to do with ok or not ok actions. It's about risk. Someone with no late payments exhibits the lowest amount of possible risk with respect to the Payment History sector of the FICO pie. Everyone else whether it's a distant minor delinquency or a recent major one represents a greater risk.
If the underlying aim is to soapbox good financial behavior, this particular issue is among the least important to tackle. The number of people on this forum who use cards as emergency savings instead of actual savings, think cards equate to cash available to spend, skirt with MS just to chase bonuses, or who buy $75,000 cars on their $125,000 salary while saving 0-2% for retirement instead of 15% are much more in need of a good talking to than whether a box showing their payment history is red, yellow or green. Fix those problems and ones like this become non-issues.
No underlying aim here at all. I'm just pointing out that the fluff poor/fair/good/exceptional crap is exactly that, crap. It paints an inaccurate picture of what's really going on and that's something that those less in the know need to understand. When someone can have 10-20 late payments on their CR and some pretty front-end CMS software tells them their Payment History is anything other than BAD (fair, good, whatever) IMO, that's a problem. Many have contributed to this thread and posted their screenshots and/or payment history data that helps support the original point and purpose of this thread.
@Anonymous wrote:Joe, do you have any negative items anywhere on your credit reports (anything in the last 7 years or so)?
@Anonymous
Yes I had one 30 days late it was 6 years and 10 months old
Sorry for the delay I been out of town
@JoeLuvsHisCredit wrote:Yes I had one 30 days late it was 6 years and 10 months old
Sorry for the delay I been out of town
No problem. You must be looking forward to ringing in the new year with that thing likely falling off around that time!
@CreditInspired wrote:
I agree. Stuff happens—One late payment should not put one in the doghouse for 7 years.
It wouldn't. Most agree that a single late payment loses the majority of it's adverse FICO scoring impact after 2 years. It certainly wouldn't constitute a trip to the doghouse for 7 years, no doubt.