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Question about AAoA and AUs

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Anonymous
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Re: Question about AAoA and AUs

My understanding has always been that only AoYA and AoOA are scorecard assignment factors, not AAoA.  It's possible though that AAoA could be a factor that may influence signal strength of other factors... I don't think that's out of the question.

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Anonymous
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Re: Question about AAoA and AUs

This is my understanding of scorecard segmentation.: Credit: Our own TT. @ThomasThumb Care to comment?
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Anonymous
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Re: Question about AAoA and AUs

Right and the "aged" sections of that diagram are referring to AoOA and AoYA, not AAoA.

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Anonymous
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Re: Question about AAoA and AUs

Well I think aged is referring to AooA and new accounts refers to AoYA, I think ... except when it’s referring to minors of course.
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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: Question about AAoA and AUs

The two age factors for score cards are:

1) New credit as defined by AoYA (age of youngest account)

2) File age as defined by AoOA (age of oldest account - open or closed)

 

Average age of accounts is a scoring attribute but not a scorecard assignment factor. People that see AAoA drop due to new accounts being added may change scorecards but, if so, the reassignment almost certainly relates to new credit.

 

File thickness is a scorecard assignment factor as well. However, it is a bit hard to nail this one down as it appears to comprise both type/mix of accounts and QTY of accounts. There is a gray region that I would classify as neither thin or thick (say over 4 accounts but less than 11 accounts). I'm in this category since 4 closed accounts dropped off my file. 

 

SJ's file seems to react more strongly to certain scoring attributes than others with thick files. I suspect this is due to maintaining multiple new accounts under 12 months age. I would place him on the new credit-thick file-long credit history scorecard. 

 

As we know Fico 8 has 8 "clean" scorecards and they have stated segmentation factors include credit history (age of file), new credit and depth of credit. Beyond that the exact segmentation is not published. My hypothesis on segmentation as mentioned in other threads is:

 

scorecard illustration.jpg

I go back and forth on newness segmentation as 1 year or 2 years and depth of credit dividing line as thin/non thin or thick/non thick. Also, mild delinquency was not originally listed in presentations on Fico 8 segmentation. It showed up later. So I think it is a tag along and score limiting attribute within "clean" scorecards as opposed to a true segmentation factor.

Scorecards image Fico 8.jpg

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Question about AAoA and AUs


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

The two age factors for score cards are:

1) New credit as defined by AoYA (age of youngest account)

2) File age as defined by AoOA (age of oldest account - open or closed)

 

Average age of accounts is a scoring attribute but not a scorecard assignment factor. People that see AAoA drop due to new accounts being added may change scorecards but, if so, the reassignment almost certainly relates to new credit.

 

File thickness is a scorecard assignment factor as well. However, it is a bit hard to nail this one down as it appears to comprise both type/mix of accounts and QTY of accounts. There is a gray region that I would classify as neither thin or thick (say over 4 accounts but less than 11 accounts). I'm in this category since 4 closed accounts dropped off my file. 

 

SJ's file seems to react more strongly to certain scoring attributes than others with thick files. I suspect this is due to maintaining multiple new accounts under 12 months age. I would place him on the new credit-thick file-long credit history scorecard. 

 

As we know Fico 8 has 8 "clean" scorecards and they have stated segmentation factors include credit history (age of file), new credit and depth of credit. Beyond that the exact segmentation is not published. My hypothesis on segmentation as mentioned in other threads is:

 

scorecard illustration.jpg

I go back and forth on newness segmentation as 1 year or 2 years and depth of credit dividing line as thin/non thin or thick/non thick. Also, mild delinquency was not originally listed in presentations on Fico 8 segmentation. It showed up later. So I think it is a tag along and score limiting attribute within "clean" scorecards as opposed to a true segmentation factor.

Scorecards image Fico 8.jpg


Fascinating. I guess you've got me pegged. I guess I would be in C-2.

 

No derogatory items

Age of oldest account > 30 years

Definitely non-thin: total of open & closed accounts in the neighborhood of 60

Lots of new accounts, average age of accounts < 4 years


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 699 TU 696 EX 682




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