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Question about Paying Down Credit Cards

So i have 4 Credit cards.  2 paid off 100% no balance.  1 with a $60 balance on a $500 limit.  Last card has a $600 Balance on a $1000 limit.  Had this card down to $300 but had to take care of some bills last week.  Now I am planning on buying a house in may/june of 2012.  I was wondering how the scoring goes for this.  If i pay it down gradually in stead of all at once, does my score still go up every month i pay it then a big jump once its paid off, or should i pay it off now and will that score jump and then build from that?  

IIm really confused.  I just want to make sure my scores go over 680 so i can get a regular loan, as it stands from a month ago, my TU Credit was 677 (Lender Pull) and EXP Credit was 675 (experian.com) .  My EQ was 622. (my fico score)

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Anonymous
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Re: Question about Paying Down Credit Cards

Hi kyomagi,

 

Hope this helps answer a few of your questions. 


kyomagi wrote:

So i have 4 Credit cards.  2 paid off 100% no balance.  1 with a $60 balance on a $500 limit.  Last card has a $600 Balance on a $1000 limit.  Had this card down to $300 but had to take care of some bills last week.  Now I am planning on buying a house in may/june of 2012.  I was wondering how the scoring goes for this.  If i pay it down gradually in stead of all at once, does my score still go up every month i pay it then a big jump once its paid off, or should i pay it off now and will that score jump and then build from that?  FICO scores on both individual card utilization and overall utilization.  Most folks see their best FICO when they're below 9% individual and 9% overall.  There's really no set cutoffs for utilization and FICO impact - but generally speaking you'll see FICO scores improve as utilization decreases.  There seems to be categories (like, say, something like 20-30%, a number I just randomly pulled out of my head - nothing real in those numbers) rather than points for each individual utilization reduction.  And those categories can be rather broad (i.e. 30-50% or some such - again just numbers I pulled out of my head - nothing real in those numbers) - they certainly morph and will vary from person to person as well as for one person over time.  You may want to pay down your $600 balance because 60% utilization is high.  Other creditors will see your utilization when they do account reviews and soft pull your credit report.  High utilization on other cards may affect the way they manage your account.  Also, aside from FICO, your cc card holder gets nervous when you maintain a high utilization and you may see some AdverseActions i.e. lower CL's as you slowly paydown.  If you have the means, you may want to get your utilization down.  You'll save interest money and you'll look good to your creditors as well.  The general mantra is to keep all cc's but one reporting a zero balance; with the remaining one reporting less than 9% for best FICO scores - and it keeps the creditors thinking you're golden as well.  Paying utilization down over time does not trump paying down utilization up front FICO-wise.

IIm really confused.  I just want to make sure my scores go over 680 so i can get a regular loan, as it stands from a month ago, my TU Credit was 677 (Lender Pull) (If it's a lender pull, it's probably a FICO)  and EXP Credit was 675 (experian.com) (that's a FAKO score, sorry to say)  .  My EQ was 622. (my fico score)


 ETA: clarification on how absolutely unknown the ranges for utilization absolutely are.  absolutely unknown.  absolutely!  Smiley Wink  Remember they vary for each individual and they vary with time for one individual - I'm not trying to give any accurate guidelines here.  At all.

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GregB
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Re: Question about Paying Down Credit Cards

Your FICO Score will be based upon the information in the report at that moment. How that information changes between today and that day will be irrelevant.

 

Your TU FICO score may or may not be the same depending on what version of TU FICO the lender pulled and the version used by the mortgage lender. You might start by getting the report they pulled and make sure it is a FICO score and then determining what version of FICO was used.

 

The EX score will be almost completely useless. It won't be a FICO. It will probably be a Plus Score and could easily be way off in either direction from a FICO Score that would be pulled by a mortgage lender.

 

The EQ FICO pulled from myFICO should be the same as the EQ FICO pulled by the lender unless the lenders change the versions that they use in the future.

 

ETA: I see beamMEup was typing while I was and finished first

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Re: Question about Paying Down Credit Cards

My personal observation is that paying down slowly has given me better FICO score... When my CC balances are up and I do big payment in one month to get them down, it has not effected my FICO score very much. When I pay down over a couple of months, my FICO score improves more... 

 

I understand that previous balance and amount paid is supposedly not part of the formula... But with 6 years of closely monitoring my reports, I've observed this several times.  It's almost like the big payment is discounted because the money might have been borrowed from a friend to pay balance down...

 

I know it's not supposed to work that way... Only reporting my personal observation of my FICO credit scores... So don't shoot me.Smiley Happy

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kjm79
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@Anonymous wrote:

My personal observation is that paying down slowly has given me better FICO score... When my CC balances are up and I do big payment in one month to get them down, it has not effected my FICO score very much. When I pay down over a couple of months, my FICO score improves more... 

 


I think it's more probable that you are getting the bigger better scores because of the combination of your UTIL decreasing and that your length of history and aaoa is changing over the time you are taking to pay down your accounts.  Scores are generated off your then CURRENT reports.  Not last month's reports or UTIL.  When you are making your big payments, are you paying them off completely or leaving a small balance on one?  If you pay off completely, I could why the score wouldn't go up as you have no UTIL.  But if you read these boards, you can see what paying down UTIL does for people from one report to the next. 

 


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Starting Score: EQ 620 TU 568 EX 593
Current Score (07/13/16): EQ 674 TU 649 EX 674 (FICO's 08)
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Anonymous
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Re: Question about Paying Down Credit Cards

Thanks for the tips, im going to drop $500 to get the balance down as far as i can get it.  After i pay that down, my total UTL will be roughly 20%.  I am going to keep them active by putting small charges on them and paying them off. but i think by the time we are ready to apply for the loan, my total UTL will most likely be 10ish % or lower.

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Anonymous
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Re: Question about Paying Down Credit Cards

This is by no means scientific, but:  It is true the utilization per card and overall utilization affect scoring.  The overall % utilization being the higher weighted.  In other words it's still better to pay off the higher interest rate cards first (under 10%) and keep your total utilization across all cards under 25% (ideally under 10, but score is significantly improved under 25% total utiliization from my experience)

 

I have several cards with all small limits (500,600,750), score in the 640-660 range depending how paid off they all are at any given moment; so I've had a lot of chances to see how this affects my score directly and immediately (especially since I just bought a house and had to utilize them a little bit).  I can say my score is much lower/ lowest if the overall utilization is over 25% no matter the distribution.  My score is best if every card is under 10%.  My score is good with one card loaded (18 month free financing on an appliance recently) over 70% but overall utilization across all under 25%., and fairly poor if all cards are low utilization but total utilization is over 25% (small balances across all/ most cards).

 

From what I've seen with my own score anything over 25% is "high utilization" and detracts from your score, 25-10% improvement does very little, only a few points.  That 25% mark is the magic one from my observations.  You can verify this with the score calculator too.  They do slam you hard if you're over 75% total on all, and it will take a few months!! to come back to previous score if that happened. 

 

Also, on the site FICO says this is one of the largest factors in your credit score so it is worth keeping in mind at all times.

 

I've also noticed if I pay off the card nearly immediately it does little for my score.  Scoring seems to favor 60%-40%-10% type progression. Personally, I think this is more related to the risk factor of "will this person fill his cards again/ precarious financial situation, or is this just a fluke".  In other words whether you pay off all at once or over 2-3 months doesn't matter, it's the fact it got to "overutilized" that's taking time to rebound from, not the speed of repayment.

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