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Anonymous
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Question about accounts late

Hi everyone.

I’ve been going through the process of increasing my score, and through following the basic methods here have been fairly successful, but I have one question I haven’t found the answer to.

My on time payments are currently 129 / 133 (4 late payments). Will opening up another credit card help add payments faster, getting my 4 late payments to be less meaningful? And having an extra account that has never been late?

I have 4 credit cards, and was preapproved for the us bank cash plus, which I would like (but don’t need in any meaningful way) for the cash back categories. It’s been 9 months since opening a credit card and 6 months since an auto loan.

My thinking was if I’m making 6/6 credit payments a month (4 cards, 1 auto, 1 student), adding 12 more on time payments per year would be beneficial in negating the 4 late payments sooner, and adding a higher percentage of accounts never late.

No plans to buy a house / car / need credit within the next year.

Thanks.
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Anonymous
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Re: Question about accounts late

Late payments, as they age, become less and less effective on your score. However, getting new cards will not have anything to do with those particular late payments. They will still stay there and have impact on score less and less over time. However, Getting a new card will lower utilization % which is a positive thing and can help score. Just be sure to always keep balances low. Use the AZEO method- All zero except one. You can search AZEO method on here in search box. It really helps !
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Anonymous
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Re: Question about accounts late

Thanks. I guess I’m wondering about all the credit sites that use “% of on time payments”. They have categories such as 97, 98, 99, and 100%.
If you divide mine (129/133) you get 96.9%. It would stand to reason that increasing the number of on time payments would increase my percentage amount, even keeping those 4 late payments. For example. If I made 996 / 1000 payments. My on time would be 99%, increasing my score but still having 4 late payments.
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Anonymous
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Re: Question about accounts late


@AnonymousThanks. I guess I’m wondering about all the credit sites that use “% of on time payments”. They have categories such as 97, 98, 99, and 100%.
If you divide mine (129/133) you get 96.9%. It would stand to reason that increasing the number of on time payments would increase my percentage amount, even keeping those 4 late payments. For example. If I made 996 / 1000 payments. My on time would be 99%, increasing my score but still having 4 late payments.

While it may seem that should be the case, it isn't.  I suppose you're referring to the fluff charts and tables that Credit Karma or a similar source provides.  Percentages like 96%, 98%, etc. do not matter.  There are only 2 categories here:  100% on time payments and everything else.  99% of payments on time is no better in terms of scoring than 93% or 85% or even 50%.  99% means you've been late and if you've been late, you're assigned a dirty score card.  The only exception would be a single minor (30 day) negative may not land someone in a dirty score card.  With 4 late payments, a dirty score card is where you'll be.  Yes, upon a manual review seeing just 1 or 2 late payments is going to look "better" than if they see a few dozen, but in terms of scoring, dirty is dirty.  So, the simple answer to your question is no, increasing your percentage of on time payments from say 96% to 99% will have no FICO scoring impact.  Additional on-time payments have no impact on your existing lates; more on-time payments can't dilute being dirty. 

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NRB525
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I think there may be some portion of the scoring that can be improved by having more accounts with good payment history. The MyFICO education pages say so:

 

https://www.myfico.com/credit-education/credit-payment-history/

 

In bold: How many accounts show no late payments. 

“ A good track record on most of your credit accounts will increase your FICO score”

 

The Payment history calculation has to be able to include a “percentage of on time payments” because using only an absolute count of Lates is not sufficient. 

 

Cardholder #1 has 36 months of on-time payments on two cards. 72 payments. He misses one payment by 30 days. 

 

Cardholder #2 has one card, has made one on time payment, then misses the second payment by 30 days. The severity, as a percentage of historical payments is much worse for cardholder #2 and simply must be in the calculation. 

 

Cardholder #2 has also not built up a track record of payment so would likely have started at or just below 700. 

 

Cardolder #1 would have increased score to the low 700s at least. 

 

Each would lose score, but #1 should still have a higher score after the late. 

 

By the same logic, and the quote regarding positive accounts, OP should be better off by adding another account, and aging all accounts with more ( overwhelming ) positive payments. 

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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RobertEG
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Re: Question about accounts late

You dont gain points by making timely payments.  Percent of ontime payments is not a FICO scoring metric in any statement by Fair Isaac.

 

You gain points under length of credit history as your accounts get older, but not simply by making expected payments.

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NRB525
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Re: Question about accounts late

How many accounts show no late payment

The OP’s proposal is to open another account, which will be without blemish. In the scoring advice above, that seems like a good idea. In the experience of all the rebuilders here opening new accounts is a given / assumed effort, but usually for the benefits provided by the card such as cash back or travel points.

There is still a ceiling on score at any given age of baddies.

But to prove whether opening new clean accounts is not beneficial in a file with accounts blemished by lates, the control situation of cardholders working with the all-baddies lineup would be needed. We never see that.
High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: Question about accounts late

As with so many topics credit-related, there would be no way to tell if opening an additional account would help the OP in terms of scoring or percentage of clean vs dirty accounts.  The opening of the new account could cause a score drop from the inquiry and the "new account" / AoYA drop and potential AAoA reduction, masking any gain realized from a new clean account added to the profile.  The only way I believe it could be proven to help would be if you were looking at the bureau(s) that didn't take the inquiry and the age of accounts factors did not cross any thresholds (not that we have finite points of them in the first place) and someone actually saw a score gain immediately following the opening of the account.

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NRB525
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Agreed the new account appearing has a near term drag on score. The objective with the additional account would be to see that age and help score over the long term.

The difficulty is in not having comparative files where someone merely aged existing baddie accounts, whether there is a similar improvement long term, or if such a file is at all stunted until the baddies fall off.
High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: Question about accounts late

Thanks for all the replies! Lots of good insight. I’ve decided that since I have no major credit plans in the next couple years (have a mortgage pre credit issues, and just took out a car loan) I will go ahead and open it. The consensus seems to be any negative effect will most likely be 2 years or less
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