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mortgageman1982
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Questions about FICO scoring model

I know quite a bit about the algorithms and scoring but I did have a few questions in order to possibly understand scorecards/buckets even further.  Trying to boost my score as I've gone through a time that my credit has taken a massive hit.  Does an AU revolving line count as a revolving for your credit mix/thickness of file?  I ask because I have a mortgage, two installments but all three of my trade lines have been closed (so that I could liquidate with lower interest etc).  Would I need to open new credit up to demonstrate I have active revolving?  This is purely from a computer/FICO recognition standpoint - not any type of human element.  I'd hate to be taking a hit because I personally don't have active revolving - but I know the active mortgage and two installments are generally a good thing.  In addition to that can I confirm that a closed account with a balance is still 'closed'?  Case in point the utilization is still there as I am paying it off - but it's not an open card that I can utilize any longer.  I only ask because it's not as if it's a $0 balance that obviously would be seen that way - I didn't know that since there was a balance if that changed anything. 

Does the AooA take AU's into consideration?  And is AooA purely dealing with active credit or all credit over time?  I mean I have closed out cards and paid off mortgages and installments from 10-20 years ago when I was younger.  

I would appreciate any feedback anybody has.  I want to hit all the details I can to ensure I'm not missing anything.  The rest is obvious to me.  

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GatorGuy
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Re: Questions about FICO scoring model

I assume you mean by AooA, age of oldest account. My oldest account on my report is an AU card from my wife. I have multiple AU cards that count towards utilization and AAoA. 

 

However not all AU accounts will help you. The credit bureaus will not count accounts where there is not a direct connection, ie you share the same address. 

 

Even if the accounts are not discounted by the CRAs, many FIs run their own analysis of your report and strip out AU accounts. For this reason it will be important for you to eventually add your own accounts. The sooner you add them, the sooner they can start to age. But you obviously don't want to go applying for new cards if you will be applying for a mortgage or car loan soon.

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SouthJamaica
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Re: Questions about FICO scoring model


@mortgageman1982 wrote:

I know quite a bit about the algorithms and scoring but I did have a few questions in order to possibly understand scorecards/buckets even further.  Trying to boost my score as I've gone through a time that my credit has taken a massive hit.  Does an AU revolving line count as a revolving for your credit mix/thickness of file?

 I ask because I have a mortgage, two installments but all three of my trade lines have been closed (so that I could liquidate with lower interest etc).  Would I need to open new credit up to demonstrate I have active revolving?

 

Credit mix takes into account closed accounts as well as open accounts.

 

 This is purely from a computer/FICO recognition standpoint - not any type of human element.  I'd hate to be taking a hit because I personally don't have active revolving - but I know the active mortgage and two installments are generally a good thing.  In addition to that can I confirm that a closed account with a balance is still 'closed'?  

 

A closed account with a balance is still closed. It is also a very bad thing to have, because the balance is being counted in your utilization but the limit is not.   In some cases, it's even treated as a maxed out card.

 

Case in point the utilization is still there as I am paying it off - but it's not an open card that I can utilize any longer.  I only ask because it's not as if it's a $0 balance that obviously would be seen that way - I didn't know that since there was a balance if that changed anything. 

Does the AooA take AU's into consideration?  And is AooA purely dealing with active credit or all credit over time?  I mean I have closed out cards and paid off mortgages and installments from 10-20 years ago when I was younger.  

AoOA takes into account closed accounts so long as they are still being reported in your credit reports.  I don't know if an AU account can be considered your oldest account; somehow I doubt it.

 

I would appreciate any feedback anybody has.  I want to hit all the details I can to ensure I'm not missing anything.  The rest is obvious to me.  


 


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FireMedic1
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Re: Questions about FICO scoring model


@mortgageman1982 wrote:

I know quite a bit about the algorithms and scoring but I did have a few questions in order to possibly understand scorecards/buckets even further.  Trying to boost my score as I've gone through a time that my credit has taken a massive hit.  Does an AU revolving line count as a revolving for your credit mix/thickness of file?  

 

I ask because I have a mortgage, two installments but all three of my trade lines have been closed (so that I could liquidate with lower interest etc).  Did you take out a HELOC? You "have" then say "closed". Which one.

 

Would I need to open new credit up to demonstrate I have active revolving?  This is purely from a computer/FICO recognition standpoint - not any type of human element.  

 

I'd hate to be taking a hit because I personally don't have active revolving - but I know the active mortgage and two installments are generally a good thing.  In addition to that can I confirm that a closed account with a balance is still 'closed'?  Case in point the utilization is still there as I am paying it off - but it's not an open card that I can utilize any longer.  

Who closed it? You or a charge off.

Yes you need some revolving accounts on your own.

 

I only ask because it's not as if it's a $0 balance that obviously would be seen that way - I didn't know that since there was a balance if that changed anything. 

Does the AooA take AU's into consideration?  And is AooA purely dealing with active credit or all credit over time?  I mean I have closed out cards and paid off mortgages and installments from 10-20 years ago when I was younger.  

I would appreciate any feedback anybody has.  I want to hit all the details I can to ensure I'm not missing anything.  The rest is obvious to me.  


Need some more info to come to a conclusion.


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