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Re-bucketed, again !

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Re-bucketed, again !

EQ down 8 points now ....... v.frustrating but know it's better in the long term  

 
Your FICO® score went down on a day when there were no credit alerts on your Equifax Credit Report™. This can happen if:
  • You moved from one category of credit users to another as time passed. For example, you may have transitioned from the category "consumers with a new credit history" to the category "consumers with a two- to five-year credit history". As a result, your credit report is evaluated differently, causing a slight change in your score. The good news is that moving between categories like this usually offers you the potential to reach a higher FICO® score in the future.


Message Edited by busywoman on 05-07-2008 09:43 PM

Message Edited by busywoman on 05-07-2008 09:43 PM
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Anonymous
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Re: Re-bucketed, again !

Does Scorewatch actually know you're rebucketed, or is it just guessing?
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Anonymous
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Re: Re-bucketed, again !

Good question. I have no earthly idea but notice that the alert includes the word "may" so fact or speculation, not a clue.
 
I checked my TC report tonight and not a single change to explain the drop. This happened to me in September 07 as well.
 
 
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Anonymous
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Re: Re-bucketed, again !

Perhaps someone who knows the inner workings of Scorewatch can shed some light.

I swear, sometimes that rationales given by Scorewatch, and I often get 3-5 of them, are like those from a Magic 8 Ball:

* ● Ask again later
* ● Better not tell you now
* ● Cannot predict now
* ● Concentrate and ask again
* ● It is certain
* ● It is decidedly so
* ● Most likely
* ● Outlook good
* ● Outlook not so good
* ● Reply hazy, try again

Smiley Wink
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Anonymous
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Re: Re-bucketed, again !

Funny Funny Watchnerd.  My SW alerts have actually been quite "spot on" in the last 10 months.
 
Awaiting feedback from SW experts.
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RobertEG
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Re: Re-bucketed, again !

I have rarely seen any watch alert, either from ScoreWatch, or from the CRAs, that has any consistent basis in my reality.  They are useless, IMHO, and I just ignore them for what they are... gruel for the rabble, and a marketing attempt to make you think they know something.  I doubt that anyone who seriously reads there forums and understands credit scoring would differ from my conclusion.


Message Edited by RobertEG on 05-08-2008 01:21 AM
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RobertEG
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Re: Re-bucketed, again !

Sure!  Your score can change without any change in your scorewatch alerts.  Does scorewatch monitor all things in your CR?  No, only the simplistic things you ask it to notify you about.  Lack of a scorewatch alert does not translate into either a lack of change in your CR, or thus a lack of change in your score.
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haulingthescoreup
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Re: Re-bucketed, again !


@Anonymous wrote:
EQ down 8 points now ....... v.frustrating but know it's better in the long term

Your FICO® score went down on a day when there were no credit alerts on your Equifax Credit Report™. This can happen if:
  • You moved from one category of credit users to another as time passed. For example, you may have transitioned from the category "consumers with a new credit history" to the category "consumers with a two- to five-year credit history". As a result, your credit report is evaluated differently, causing a slight change in your score. The good news is that moving between categories like this usually offers you the potential to reach a higher FICO® score in the future.


Look at your previous report and then this one and compare the average history, if they show it (might be on screen 2 under either positives or negatives) and the overall history (maybe screen 2 plus definitely on the Credit-at-a-Glance screen.) I'm guessing that your average age went up, as it will each month, and you are now at 5 years instead of 4 years and 11 months, or something similar. It could also be that your overall credit age crossed another tier, just about all of which escape me now.

Scorewatch definitely knows when you've been re-bucketed! I got this same alert with a 15-point drop after adding a nice old AU card. And when I re-aged my average history from 5 years 2 months to 3 years 10 or whatever it is now, I didn't get an alert, because that was when SW was AWOL, but I can tell from all 3 reports that I'm re-bucketed, or de-bucketed, I guess. I'm getting praised for things that used to be negatives. I assume that I'm now in the average age of 2 - 5 years bucket.

Anyway, see if there have been any age changes. If you haven't seen anything else happen, like a baddie falling off, that's the most likely trigger. You can also look to see if any accounts or baddies had birthdays, like everything older than two years, etc. I don't know all the different score buckets, though, so I don't know if this last possibility would be a new bucket.

Sorry for your brief bad news! I bet you'll have the 8 points back in 6 weeks or so, and then off you go.
* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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Anonymous
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Re: Re-bucketed, again !

I wonder how many creditors know how this ridiculous system works.  FICO is supposed to be an indicator of an individuals creditworthiness yet, according to FICO, you are less creidtworthy one day due to no changes?  Makes alot of sense to any rational person???
 
Changed buckets, let see, one day I have a given score, my credit report ages and moves me to a new bucket, all of a sudden I have a lower score.  I still have the same payment history, same balances, same everything yet I am all of a sudden a higher risk borrower because I have had my good credit for a longer amount of time?  This is truly silly.  How can anyone take such a system seriously?
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haulingthescoreup
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Re: Re-bucketed, again !


@Anonymous wrote:
I wonder how many creditors know how this ridiculous system works. FICO is supposed to be an indicator of an individuals creditworthiness yet, according to FICO, you are less creidtworthy one day due to no changes? Makes alot of sense to any rational person???
Changed buckets, let see, one day I have a given score, my credit report ages and moves me to a new bucket, all of a sudden I have a lower score. I still have the same payment history, same balances, same everything yet I am all of a sudden a higher risk borrower because I have had my good credit for a longer amount of time? This is truly silly. How can anyone take such a system seriously?



It can be pretty maddening when it happens, but there are score buckets to allow consumers to be compared to other consumers with similar characteristics. Someone with a collection, 5 lates, and a charge-off would be mired at 364 for decades if they were compared directly with 60-year-olds with 40 years of immaculate credit.

When one of the bucket-defining factors falls off or is removed, or when your credit history hits a new age range, you are now being compared with a different group of people, who might have better credit than you. So you don't look so hot for a while. But as time passes (and generally this happens within a month or two of the re-assignment, your profile comes closer to matching others in your new group, and your scores increase, and they have the potential to rise higher than they did in your previous group.

I think of kids who play soccer. You start out in AYSO or rec league clumping around playing blob ball, stopping to look at planes go over, and building sand castles in goal. You keep forgetting that the direction of play changes at the half, and if you've got a good leg, you probably even manage to score an own goal by shooting into the wrong net. But you start catching on, and getting more skillful, and liking it. Eventually you find that your coach is playing you more quarters than the others. A mom or dad on the sidelines sees you play, and they think that you and their own kid and 10 or 12 others are pretty good, and really ought to move from AYSO to club soccer.

So you buy the fancy unis, and you get a coach who actually understands the game, and you head out to your first game, and your team gets slaughtered. Keep on playing, keep on getting better, and you get recruited by a club team that's actually good.

Pay another couple hundred bucks for new unis, meet your new coach who has an Accent, start going to practice, and find yourself on the bench for the first several games. Stick with it, get better, survive the first spring's cuts, see the new players come in and realize that in fact, you're better than they.

Keep playing and getting better, your team registers in Div 1, you go to state a couple of times and some good invitational tournaments, and one day you get an e-mail full of misspellings and bad grammar with an address ending in .edu from a coach who asks if you've ever thought about playing at the college level. And do you really think that you'll get a lot of minutes as a freshman?

Not many things in life have smooth rising curves. There are generally more bumps and plateaus, with occasional dips. Credit is one of those things.
* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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