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TangMeister
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Re: Real FICO score

 


@llecs wrote:

Let me throw this out to anyone: If your mortgage lender pulled TU98 (and many still use it), would you still consider TU98 a FAKO score? Conversely, if myFICO sold TU04 scores, would you consider what myFICO sells as a FAKO if your lender did pull TU98? Finally, thinking ahead, if myFICO leaped ahead and offered TU08 scores and if your lender pulled TU04, would myFICO's TU08 also be considered a FAKO?

 

It's all in relation to "what", right? If your lender pulled TU04, you can easily go to another lender that still uses TU98 and get the scores to match up. And yes, a majority do use TU04, but some heavy hitters still use TU98, or at least as reported in Mortgage Loans.


 

 

I understand what you're saying llecs.  But the fact remains that even a representative from Fair Isaac was saying almost 15 months ago they were going to update the TU FICO to the 04 version "soon", citing the very reasoning I, and others, have spelled out.  And still....we wait.  And now we have the 08 version out and about...so we're effectively 2 versions behind. 

 

For all intents and purposes...yes....the TU FICO score version offered here is basically obsolete and no more accurate than a FAKO, when you consider what the majority of lenders now pull.  It's long overdue...myfico.com needs to offer the TU FICO 04 version ASAP.  Smiley Happy

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Anonymous
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Re: Real FICO score

My lender uses TU 98' version. To me, it is not a FAKO score.

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Lel
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Re: Real FICO score

I don't think the decision to move to TU 04 is entirely in myFICO's court - some agreement probably needs to be hashed out with Transunion itself.  If it were up to myFICO to decide which FICO products to offer, then we'd still be able to get Experian scores.

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Anonymous
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Re: Real FICO score

I know this is an old post but I found it after searching for a similar story to mine.  I was just told by a lender that pulled my report from Kroll, that my score was lower than what I pulled from myfico.com 3 days ago.  After he gave me some "tips" to raise my score I asked if it would help to raise my limit on my current CC.  he said, "what credit card?"  I said "the one with _____ company."  him: "when did you open that?"  me: "about 6 months ago" him: "thats not showing on any of the reports with Kroll"   He said I should contact the CC company and ask them to report to the credit agencies.... they do, but Kroll isnt pulling that info from any of the 3!
There's the answer as to why the score was lower!  kroll showed no new credit lines.  The problem?  How can you dispute info on a report that is from a third party?!?!?
Kroll has inaccurate information that hindered our loan.  

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Anonymous
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Re: Real FICO score

Which credit reporting agency is associated with the score that was different, Equifax or TransUnion? What was the score from MyFico and what was the score on the Kroll report? For the 6-month-old credit card, which CRA(s) was the inquiry with?

 

A 6-month-old account which reports could actually cause a lower score than if it didn't report, depending on its effect on utilization. New inquiry, new account, and lower average age are all factors that could lower the score ...

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Anonymous
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Re: Real FICO score

Thanks,
It was both Transunion and Experian that it checked and that it lowered, actually it lowered all three.  It checked all three but the Equifax was my lowest anyway(still awaiting for an account to be added that was missing) so I wasnt as concerned about it as I was the TU and Experian. 
The myfico(TU) score was 625 and the Kroll was 601.  The Experian score was 642 and it showed as 615 on Kroll.

The fact that I didnt have any "new" credit is what he said was the problem... I got that card 6 months ago to do just that; establish newer credit since the next "newest" account was closed a year ago. 

I have raised my fico and plus scores(30+ points)in the last two weeks so my median was over 620 and then to hear about this was a big let down.
Im pretty frustrated and trying to figure out how to remedy it, thanks for the input!  Smiley Happy



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Anonymous
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Re: Real FICO score

 


@Anonymous wrote:

Thanks,
It was both Transunion and Experian that it checked and that it lowered, actually it lowered all three.  It checked all three but the Equifax was my lowest anyway(still awaiting for an account to be added that was missing) so I wasnt as concerned about it as I was the TU and Experian. 
The myfico(TU) score was 625 and the Kroll was 601.  The Experian score was 642 and it showed as 615 on Kroll.

The fact that I didnt have any "new" credit is what he said was the problem... I got that card 6 months ago to do just that; establish newer credit since the next "newest" account was closed a year ago. 

I have raised my fico and plus scores(30+ points)in the last two weeks so my median was over 620 and then to hear about this was a big let down.
Im pretty frustrated and trying to figure out how to remedy it, thanks for the input!  Smiley Happy




 

The TransUnion score from MyFico is the TU'98 version. It's likely that the Kroll report utilized the TU'04 version. It's fairly common for the TU'04 version score to be lower if there are negatives on the report.

 

MyFico does not make an Experian Fico score available for purchase by the general public, so I don't know what the source of your "642" score is. I'm guessing that was a non-Fico score, so it is probably an apples vs. oranges non-valid comparison.

 

Generally, the Equifax score from MyFico will be the same as the score pulled by a lender, if both scores are pulled at the same time.

 

Compare your total revolving debt to your total credit limits, with and without the new 6-month account. What sort of percentages are we looking at?

 

Also, if the credit reports you obtain are consistently showing the new 6-month account and the Kroll report is not, your lender should question Kroll ...

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Anonymous
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Re: Real FICO score

"Also, if the credit reports you obtain are consistently showing the new 6-month account and the Kroll report is not, your lender should question Kroll ..."
^^This is really my only point.  
I was thinking that the fact that the lender said that no new credit is what was keeping my score down paired with the fact that the new credit is missing from Kroll would logically account for the lowered score.  I think I will just get back with him and ask what he can do about that, if they are willing that is... 

I realize that experian is not part of my fico.   Since Experian uses their own scoring system, I imagined that comparing that score to the other pulled score would bring us to oranges and oranges.  Fico vs Fico and Plus/vantage vs plus/vantage. 

thanks

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Real FICO score

 


@Anonymous wrote:

"Also, if the credit reports you obtain are consistently showing the new 6-month account and the Kroll report is not, your lender should question Kroll ..."
^^This is really my only point.  
I was thinking that the fact that the lender said that no new credit is what was keeping my score down paired with the fact that the new credit is missing from Kroll would logically account for the lowered score.  I think I will just get back with him and ask what he can do about that, if they are willing that is... 

I realize that experian is not part of my fico.   Since Experian uses their own scoring system, I imagined that comparing that score to the other pulled score would bring us to oranges and oranges.  Fico vs Fico and Plus/vantage vs plus/vantage. 

thanks

 


 

The Experian score that appears on the Kroll report will most likely be a Fico score. The vast majority of lenders continue to use Fico scores calculated from the credit reports from all three credit reporting agencies. Experian's refusal to allow an EX Fico score to be sold to the public has no effect on lenders continuing to pull EX Fico scores. So your 642 (Fako) vs. 615 (Kroll=Fico) is apples vs. oranges.

 

Last point - not to beat it to death too much - what your lender said about "no new credit" keeping your score down is not necessarily correct. In many (or most) cases, a 6-month-old account will tend to decrease your score unless it is contributing significantly to reducing your utilization. So I wouldn't have too high an expectation of that account helping much if it does show up on a later Kroll report ...

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Anonymous
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Re: Real FICO score

Thanks Smiley Happy

so, he has asked that I go apply for a line of credit to raise my score.. you think this is wrong/bad advise as it can/will LOWER my score?
edit* 
I just reread your comment... "unless it is significantly reducing my utilization"  Forgive my total newbieness, but I want to get this straight in my head and explain.
I have NO balance on my reports because I dont use that("new") card.  I pay monthly payments less than 10 bucks for fees so: it shows my limit and timely payments each month along with a consistent balance of zero.  Is this what you mean by lowering my utilization? 


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