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Reasonable Assumption?

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doctort
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Reasonable Assumption?

My Transunion report shows 220% Revolving Credit.  My only revolving account is a chargedoff cc.

CL $1000/$2200 Balance.  Based on the model 10 pts gained for every 10% reduction in utilization.

 

CL          BAL         UTIL

$1000    $2200     220%

$1000    $1100     110%    50 pt increase

$1000    $550        55%      50 pt increase

$1000     $0            0%        50 pt increase

                                              150 pts (No Revolving Balance)                              

      

Is it reasonable to assume that PIF this revolving account will net at least 100 point score increase?

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cdtotten
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Re: Reasonable Assumption?

You need to get those 2 cards that over limit (especially the one WAY over the limit) paid off immediately. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they closed the card because of that. In addition, if they keep it open, your rate will most likely be sky high. No, you cannot expect 10 pts for each 10% when you are that far over the limit, although you will definately see a huge jump from getting it back down, and under the limit.

 

How does a $1,000 CL card get a $2k plus balance?

 

I would focus on being a LOT more responsible in the future or your credit history is going to suffer. Expect AA.

 

Edit: Hold on, so your only open account is the $2,200 balance on the $1,000 limit?

 

Once closed cards have their balance paid to 0, they no longer effect your utilization percentage.


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doctort
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Re: Reasonable Assumption?

I'll take the lecture if you read my post and then give advice.

There's only 1 Credit Card.  It is charged off.  The Credit Limit was $1,000 and the current balance is $2200.

How?  Late charges, over the limit fees, etc.  Let me re-word my question.

With current balance $2200 and Util 220%, will paying $1100 and getting util to 110% produce 50 point increase.

Will paying $550 at that point bringing util to 55% produce an additional 50 points.  Finally, will paying off the balance ($550) bringing revolving util to 0% produce a final 50 point increase.

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cdtotten
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Re: Reasonable Assumption?

I am not trying to lecture, was just trying to offer you some feedback on what you can expect and what is hurting you.

 

No one can answer your three specific questions because each person will receive a different score boost from paying down debt depending on what bucket you are in and the remaining items on the report.

 

First, let me say that if the account is charged off, once you pay it off completely, it will leave you with 0 remaining revolving credit which will hurt your scores. Also, a paid charge off has the same ding as a unpaid charge off.

 

However, if the CO balance is factored into your revolving balance, as it is, paying it down will help in that regard. Going from 220% to 110% should have 0 effect. The fact that you are overlimit is costing you roughly 25-30 points... but it doesnt matter how far over the limit you are... it's all the same at that point.

 

Going from 110% to under limit gets you those 25-30 points back. And going down to zero may net you 60-70 pts roughly? You may get 100 points back after it is down to 0, but the fact that you will have 0 revolving credit and a very recent major derog (CO) will keep your score way down for a while. If possible, try to open a new revolving store card or something to give you some more revolving lines.


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doctort
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Re: Reasonable Assumption?

 Thanks for the feedback.
Can you explain this statement? 

First, let me say that if the account is charged off, once you pay it off completely, it will leave you with 0 remaining revolving credit which will hurt your scores.

 

I don't understand this statement either from a utilization standpoint?

but it doesnt matter how far over the limit you are... it's all the same at that point.

 

Please respond

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crivas21
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Re: Reasonable Assumption?

once you paid the charge off you will  have  0 available credit on that account and the second means that when you go over your limit whether is a couple of dollars or a thousand  dls.your fico will be hurt by being over your limit.i hope that explains it a little better for you.good luck.

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doctort
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Re: Reasonable Assumption?

BUT, if this portion of the report is based on percentage.  Then how can an improving utilization percentage not help.

I'm confused.  Isn't the scoring based on percentage of utilization and not whether or not you're over the credit limit.

Percentage of utilization being the key word.

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cdtotten
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Re: Reasonable Assumption?

Utilization % does not technically go over 100% for scoring purposes. Once you go over 100%, you are dinged an additional 25-30 point for being over the limit, but it doesnt matter if you are at 101% or 301%... its the same for scoring purposes. The 10 points per 10% only applies when you are under 100% and varies by person.

 

What I meant by the first statement is, you stated that the charged off credit card is your only credit account that was open. Once it is paid off, you won't have any remaining open, positive credit accounts. This will severely ding your score as well.


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crivas21
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Re: Reasonable Assumption?

it is based on percentage of utilization but "within your available limit"so you by going over your limit  it triggers your fico to lose points untill you bring your balance down under your limit.

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doctort
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Re: Reasonable Assumption?

Thanks.  I learn at least one new thing here daily.

So let me make sure I'm clear.

Paying from 220% down to 100% util.  Expect no score increase because I was dinged for being OTL.

Paying from 100% util down to 50/49%.  I can expect a 50 point increase.

Paying from 50% down to 0%.  I can expect another 50 point increase; but also expect to be penalized for not having any revolving credit.  Am I correct to this point?

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