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TDS1120
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Score Decreased Because of All Zeros

I am disgusted that my scores with all bureaus have decreased between 9-14 points because my account balances are zero.  My scores are in the 800s so it didn't have devastating effects, but why??

I make it a habit to pay all balances in full each month, but as of recent I have miscalculated pending transactions which resulted in a very small closing balance on one of my CC a couple months in a row.  I made sure to get it right this month only for my scores to decrease 14 points,  but when all is good I only get a 1-2 point increase here and there.  It just doesn't make sense!

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Score Decreased Because of All Zeros

Accounts with $0 balance reported are classified as not having recent revolving activity. When all cards report zero Fico views that as no recent revolving activity. The no revolving activity penalty is usually 10 to 20 points. This penalty is NOT associated with the accounts with balance metric.

 

If you have 3 or more cards, much better to have 2 report balances than zero. I gather AZE2 costs you 1 to 2 points.

 

Let more than 1 card report a small balance when switching cards to avoid risking another "no revolving activity" penalty. Limiting reporting to one card has no tangible scoring benefit in your situation.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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TDS1120
Member

Re: Score Decreased Because of All Zeros


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

Accounts with $0 balance reported are classified as not having recent revolving activity. When all cards report zero Fico views that as no recent revolving activity. The no revolving activity penalty is usually 10 to 20 points. This penalty is NOT associated with the accounts with balance metric.

 

If you have 3 or more cards, much better to have 2 report balances than zero. I gather AZE2 costs you 1 to 2 points.

 

Let more than 1 card report a small balance when switching cards to avoid risking another "no revolving activity" penalty. Limiting reporting to one card has no tangible scoring benefit in your situation.


Thank you for this explanation!  It's almost like a setup 😂....**bleep** if you do, **bleep** if you don't.  Any idea if applying AZE2 going forward will result in a fairly quick recovery? I have 11 cards  and no negatives or other potential reportings that would otherwise affect it.

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K-in-Boston
Epic Contributor

Re: Score Decreased Because of All Zeros

Your scores would recover as soon as a single revolving account reports a balance.  With your scores where they are now, it's strongly unlikely to impact any underwriting decisions made before that point.  But if you want them back as soon as possible just take a glance to see which of your cards has the soonest statement closing date (which is the reporting date for the vast majority of lenders, US Bank being the last business day of the month a noted exception) and let it report at least $5 to immediately lose that penalty.

 

It's not one of those things that makes immediate sense, but the FICO algorithms see someone as not using any revolving accounts as a slightly higher risk than those who are showing responsible revolving use at the moment the score is generated.  Loans are similar; owing say $2500 on your sole $30,000 auto loan is better for scoring purposes than having that same loan paid in full - getting credit for having a substantially paid off loan (under 10%) rather than being penalized for having no open loan accounts.

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Yasselife
Valued Contributor

Re: Score Decreased Because of All Zeros

@TDS1120 At least you have the peace of mind of not having credit card debt(high%apr), many of us would wish to have your problem... easy fix.


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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Score Decreased Because of All Zeros

As mentioned by K-in-Boston, recovery will happen as soon as a card reports a balance and credit is pulled. AZE2 won't speed up that process, it just safeguards against reoccurrance. Given you have 11 cards, AZE2 is no concern.

 

Side note: Best to use bank cards (Visa, Mastercard, Discover card or Amex credit cards) as assigned balance reporting cards . Amex charge cards are not classified as revolvers nor are many "pure play" store cards. Pure play means not cobranded. For example a Walmart or Best Buy card is available in a store only version or in a cobranded version which has a Visa or Mastercard logo. The cobranded card will be counted by Fico but the store only version may not.

 

Also, don't assign an authorized user (AU) card as a reporter. Fico ignores those accounts when looking for revolving activity - except the older Fico "mortgage" models.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Score Decreased Because of All Zeros


@TDS1120 wrote:

@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

Accounts with $0 balance reported are classified as not having recent revolving activity. When all cards report zero Fico views that as no recent revolving activity. The no revolving activity penalty is usually 10 to 20 points. This penalty is NOT associated with the accounts with balance metric.

 

If you have 3 or more cards, much better to have 2 report balances than zero. I gather AZE2 costs you 1 to 2 points.

 

Let more than 1 card report a small balance when switching cards to avoid risking another "no revolving activity" penalty. Limiting reporting to one card has no tangible scoring benefit in your situation.


Thank you for this explanation!  It's almost like a setup 😂....**bleep** if you do, **bleep** if you don't.  Any idea if applying AZE2 going forward will result in a fairly quick recovery? I have 11 cards  and no negatives or other potential reportings that would otherwise affect it.


It's not as bad as all that. If you a lot of zero balances reporting, and not too many with balances reporting, your scores will be fine in terms of 'accounts with balances'.  If your overall utilization is low, there's no real need to micro manage unless you're at a juncture that you need to squeeze the utmost out of your mortgage scores. The important thing is to make sure that at least one bankcard reports some kind of balance. If four or five report it's no big deal. In my experience, even if you have all cards reporting small balances there's no large penalty in the FICO 8's and 9's. It only stings a little in the mortgage scores.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 699 TU 696 EX 673




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