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EW800
Valued Contributor

Score Differences Between CRA's

Hi All,

I know that it is quite common for there to be differences in what is shown on credit reports between the three CRA's, however if by chance the data shown happened to be completely the same, and the scores being shown were all of the same model, such as FICO 08, would the three scores all be identical? I am just wondering if the CRA's put their own spin on scoring, meaning that one may weigh a recent 30-day late heavier than the others, or if theoretically the scores of all three should be same if the data on the reports is the same (which again, I know is rare).

Thanks!
Year 2012: All Scores in the 520 range, during a foreclosure, CC Settlement and high UTIL. Very ugly days...
Sept 2024: EX8: 847; EQ8: 850; TU8: 848 -- Middle Mortgage Score: 821
In My Wallet: Discover $73.7K; Cap1 Venture $51.7K; Amex ED $38K; Amex Optima $2.5K; Amex Delta Gold $18K; Citi Costco $24.5K; Cap1 Plat $8.4K; Barclay $7K; Chase Amazon $6K; BoA Plat $21.6K; Citi TY Pref $22K; US Bank $4K; Dell $5K; Care Credit $6.5K. Total Revolving CL: $300K+
My UTIL: Less than 1% - Only allow about $20 a month to report, on one account. .
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EW800
Valued Contributor

Re: Score Differences Between CRA's

By the way, the reason for my question above is that my Experian 08 score is nearly always 10-12 points lower than my TU08 and EQ08 scores. I've just wondered if it is because Experians weighs something negative a bit heavier or if there is something on this report that is not on the others that pulls the score down a bit.

Thanks again!
Year 2012: All Scores in the 520 range, during a foreclosure, CC Settlement and high UTIL. Very ugly days...
Sept 2024: EX8: 847; EQ8: 850; TU8: 848 -- Middle Mortgage Score: 821
In My Wallet: Discover $73.7K; Cap1 Venture $51.7K; Amex ED $38K; Amex Optima $2.5K; Amex Delta Gold $18K; Citi Costco $24.5K; Cap1 Plat $8.4K; Barclay $7K; Chase Amazon $6K; BoA Plat $21.6K; Citi TY Pref $22K; US Bank $4K; Dell $5K; Care Credit $6.5K. Total Revolving CL: $300K+
My UTIL: Less than 1% - Only allow about $20 a month to report, on one account. .
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HiLine
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Re: Score Differences Between CRA's

Somebody gave a sound explanation on this board a week or two ago. The idea is that historically, the bureaus have had differing qualities of reported data, and FICO algorithms take this into account. The exact same data provided by the 3 CRA's may tell different stories because the FICO scoring model applied to each has a parameter that accounts for the possible inaccuracy of the data.

 

The author of the aforementioned post, please correct me if I inaccurately paraphrased your post.

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Lemmus
Established Contributor

Re: Score Differences Between CRA's

...the CRAs do not provide FICO 08 scores, myFICO does that 

...the CRAs do not all contain exactly the same data, report exactly the same data to myFico, nor do they report to myFico at the same time

...for example, unless you pull a new CR from TU, all myFico gets from them is your total CCs balance, not individual ones ...thus the weighting FICO 08 normally applies to both individual and total utilization must be modified somewhat between complete TU CR updates

...it appears to be the consensus here that FICO does weight the CRAs' data differently

...however, consider that the FICO score reflects only a single moment in time ...imnsho, it is very likely that how and when the CRAs data updates at the various agencies has as much of an impact, if not more, on your score variations than any CRA weighting FICO is doing


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RobertEG
Legendary Contributor

Re: Score Differences Between CRA's

Fair Isaac has stated that the scoring algorithsm licensied by each CRA are different, and are tailored to their individiual needs/requests. 

Fair Isaac has additionally stated that the difference in scoring between the CRA algorithms, assuming identical data is in each CRA file, can be up to 30'ísh points.

They similarly adjust their scoring algorithms based on the individual needs of other clients, such as the auto and mortgage lending markets.

 

Fair Isaac does not generate the scores.  They do not have the data, and have no means to do so.

They license their algorithms to the CRAs, who then do the actual score production by running their consumer data through the appropriate algorithm.

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Lemmus
Established Contributor

Re: Score Differences Between CRA's


@RobertEG wrote:

Fair Isaac has stated that the scoring algorithsm licensied by each CRA are different, and are tailored to their individiual needs/requests. Source please.

Fair Isaac has additionally stated that the difference in scoring between the CRA algorithms, assuming identical data is in each CRA file, can be up to 30'ísh points.

They similarly adjust their scoring algorithms based on the individual needs of other clients, such as the auto and mortgage lending markets.

 

Fair Isaac does not generate the scores.  They do not have the data, and have no means to do so.

They license their algorithms to the CRAs, who then do the actual score production by running their consumer data through the appropriate algorithm.

 

Please provide a source for this statement.


...myFico is a subsidiary of Fair Isaac ,,,afaik myFico generates the FICO 08 scores provided subscribers to their products using data furnished by the CRAs ...the CRAs do not generate the FICO scores received by myFico subscribers

 

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/myFICO-Product-Feedback/FICO-3-Bureau-Credit-Monitoring-Frequently-a...


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Anonymous
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Re: Score Differences Between CRA's

All of my trade lines report to all 3 CRA's. But the reporting is still quite different. Different codes mean different things. For instance I have paid as agreed on all the same months across all 3 CRA's on 6 trade lines. My scores are more 50 points different from each other. 801-764-758
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