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@Face_Value wrote:
why would they mess with you when they see you trying to pay your bills?
Because they see you as an elevated risk (for whatever reason) and want you to pay off the debt, but without incurring any additional debt on the account.
@Anonymous wrote:
@Face_Value wrote:
why would they mess with you when they see you trying to pay your bills?
Because they see you as an elevated risk (for whatever reason) and want you to pay off the debt, but without incurring any additional debt on the account.
BBS, we would all be rich if we could answer for sure why credit card issuers chose a time when the debtor finally started paying down debt to balance chase. I just know from these forums that it happens, I never have known why. Balance chasing is very cruel if the person is paying down the debt to raise their scores for mortgage approvals or something like that. How many times have we seen someone upset because they paid a lot of debt down and their scores drop because of balance chasing.
@Face_Value wrote:what is "balance chasing" and what causes that?
why would they mess with you when they see you trying to pay your bills?
To be fair, a lot of times the card holder starts paying their debt down it is after having very near their limit. It is then usually that the issuer was waiting until they made a payment to start balance chasing. If the card holder is at 100% utilization, they have no limit left, but when the cardholder starts making payments they balance chase until closed. You will know it when it happens because you will never have any limit space on that card again. Getting near to your cards credit limits makes issuers nervous. That is usually the most common reason, got too close to the limit, or even worse exceeded it. I am not sure I have ever seen anyone succeed in stopping it once started.
@sarge12 wrote:BBS, we would all be rich if we could answer for sure why credit card issuers chose a time when the debtor finally started paying down debt to balance chase. I just know from these forums that it happens, I never have known why. Balance chasing is very cruel if the person is paying down the debt to raise their scores for mortgage approvals or something like that. How many times have we seen someone upset because they paid a lot of debt down and their scores drop because of balance chasing.
Quite often the balance chasing (or any AA, really) can come because of other elevated risk to one's credit profile outside of the account in question. I'm a good example of that. Before my rebuild when I have negative information introduced to my file from other accounts, I received AA on a 15 year old CC that I had never been late on a single time. The creditor saw new negative information elsewhere on my credit report and risk assessment wise perhaps felt they could be next in line and took action to protect themselves from that. It is what it is.
I'm super conservative when it comes to debt, so my opinion on that would be that if someone is preparing for a mortgage they should be debt-free and not just merely paying down debt in order to grab a few points for approval. If someone is struggling / can't pay off current CC debt (that's likely minor relative to what mortgage debt would be) they probably aren't in a healthy place to be looking toward pulling the trigger on a mortgage.
I understand that recently it has been determined that closed accounts with a balance don't adversely impact Fico scores, where the previous concensus on it was that they were viewed as a maxed out account. That being said, if someone was being balance chased and it was hurting their scores significantly they could just close the account.
I've been extremely close to my limit on one card before, while no others were and no AA resulted. Even got some increases, so I agree that being maxed out or close to it on only one card likely won't see AA, at least not immediately. If it doesn't see some pay down or otehr accounts start to see balances then a lender might get nervous.
@Anonymous I understand what you are saying about having been near your limit before, but was that during a pandemic, election year, and every day riots across the Nation? Do not make the mistake of believing that bodes well for those who poke the bear, not recieving AA now. It might not have made the issuers nervous before, but right now the nervous train has left the station, and the credit card issuers are all on board. There is more uncertainty in financial circles now than at anytime since some people flew planes into skyscrapers. In a lot of respects this is worse, because nobody yet knows if we are on the road to recovery or ruin. Basing card issuers lending and AA imposed on the past is a mistake, because there has never been the same conditions that exist now, in the past. If credit is something you need, this is not the time to throw caution to the wind and poke the bear. Just my opinion, and I could even not follow my own advice, but access to credit is in fact not something I need.
From my experience AA (CLDs, card closures, balance chasing, etc) rarely comes just due to elevated utilization, even if it's sustained. Throw a single missed payment into the mix though and all bets are off.
I knew someone back in 2016 that had I believe 7 CCs at the time, 6 of which were at 90%-102% utilization. They all stayed in that range for 6 months, then 12 months. In fact, several of them today some 4 years later are still extremely high. During that span of time this person never saw any AA at all because they never missed a payment. Their Fico scores have hung out in the mid 600's for the most part for years.
@Anonymous wrote:
@sarge12 wrote:BBS, we would all be rich if we could answer for sure why credit card issuers chose a time when the debtor finally started paying down debt to balance chase. I just know from these forums that it happens, I never have known why. Balance chasing is very cruel if the person is paying down the debt to raise their scores for mortgage approvals or something like that. How many times have we seen someone upset because they paid a lot of debt down and their scores drop because of balance chasing.
Quite often the balance chasing (or any AA, really) can come because of other elevated risk to one's credit profile outside of the account in question. I'm a good example of that. Before my rebuild when I have negative information introduced to my file from other accounts, I received AA on a 15 year old CC that I had never been late on a single time. The creditor saw new negative information elsewhere on my credit report and risk assessment wise perhaps felt they could be next in line and took action to protect themselves from that. It is what it is.
I'm super conservative when it comes to debt, so my opinion on that would be that if someone is preparing for a mortgage they should be debt-free and not just merely paying down debt in order to grab a few points for approval. If someone is struggling / can't pay off current CC debt (that's likely minor relative to what mortgage debt would be) they probably aren't in a healthy place to be looking toward pulling the trigger on a mortgage.
I understand that recently it has been determined that closed accounts with a balance don't adversely impact Fico scores, where the previous concensus on it was that they were viewed as a maxed out account. That being said, if someone was being balance chased and it was hurting their scores significantly they could just close the account.
No, they do it because they are the devil and have no remorse when you are literally paying hundreds of dollars over your minimum amount to decrease your debt with them.
@Gladius wrote:No, they do it because they are the devil and have no remorse when you are literally paying hundreds of dollars over your minimum amount to decrease your debt with them.
Does this mean you're dealing with the Devil? lol
@jasonbourne84 wrote:
@Gladius wrote:No, they do it because they are the devil and have no remorse when you are literally paying hundreds of dollars over your minimum amount to decrease your debt with them.
Does this mean you're dealing with the Devil? lol
Not now, but It has happened to me in the past. You would think they would at least give you back your original CL once you pay down your balance within a couple of months, but that is asking too much I guess....smh