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Scorecard reassignment and wonky score changes?

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Anonymous
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Re: Scorecard reassignment and wonky score changes?


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@RemediosOK let me do some searching and maybe even make a post, I will try to find one.


Search over! All 7 EX CMS scores are up!

 

EX 2 went up +8 to 751 - the highest I've ever seen it. And that's with 2 scorable inquiries that will drop off 2 months from now.

 

It's even higher now than EQ5 and TU4 (742 & 747), and they have 0 scorable inquiries.


Congratulations @Anonymous !!! I had a feeling that your profile was going to break the mold. I'm glad my prognostication was accurate! Can't wait to see what happens at the other two! 

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Anonymous
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Re: Scorecard reassignment and wonky score changes?


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@Anonymous wrote:

I think this is an example of what was misguidedly called in one article instability, which can correct itself with a little time, a few to several months. So I think the general answer is that while the characteristic change may cause an abrupt score change, with a little bit of time, it should correct itself. 


That's probably the case, but if we circle back to my mortgage app example, a little bit of time / several months may not be possible.  This person could receive a worse interest rate and end up paying thousands of dollars more over the life of their loan simply because their file got 1 month older.  I recognize that this is an extreme example above and probably doesn't happen often in the grand scheme of things, but it still bothers me.  I just feel like something could be worked into the algorithm to prevent this.  Maybe even something as simple as raising the lower limit of the scorecard that begins at 3 years AoOA, or raising the upper limit of what is possible at 35 months AoOA.


@Anonymous you definitely have a point but if they raised the minimum then that would simply happen again at whatever threshold they placed it. 

I think the only answer would be to add more scorecards so that the shifts would be less abrupt and that would unnecessarily complicate and make the algorithm even more complex. I don't know maybe there's another way?

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Anonymous
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Having the max from one card equal the min from the next wouldn't prevent it?  I'm not sure if I'm overthinking or underthinking it at this point.

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Anonymous
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Re: Scorecard reassignment and wonky score changes?


@Remedios wrote:

@Anonymous  spare yourself from searching,  you won't find an example of a gain. 

 

As far as @Anonymous , I'd guess she's going into 740something to 750 on TU and EQ.

EX is already kinda leveled, so I wouldn't expect too much of a change there

Or, maybe she will stay roughly where she is. My scores were higher than Cassie's when I got sent to big girl scorecard, so I guess I had to "lose" more 

EQ was my highest (788), and that's where the real drop happened, about 25 points, bringing it in line with the other two who were around 765, and they dropped to 751 (identical drop, data not identical due to number of HPs). 


I knew I spoke too soon about all EX CMS scores (7) going up....lol The hammer was still there at TU, waiting to drop.

 

@Remedios: Great call on that TU 8 drop! -20 to 746!

 

(This is also more proof that myFICO alerts will be triggered for a simple aging change at TU, with nothing yet reported. I've always observed this with TU over the past 2 years with a Premier subscription.)

 

(Date is always one day behind the day I receive the alert - December 1st, always around 1:30pm Eastern.)

The Great AoOA 3yr 0mo drop!

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Remedios
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Sorry, @Anonymous 

I  thought I was prepared for the drop since I knew it was coming, but...not pretty. 

 

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Anonymous
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The difference between Experian and TransUnion is striking for version 8!
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Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: Scorecard reassignment and wonky score changes?


@Anonymous wrote:
The difference between Experian and TransUnion is striking for version 8!

Had her EX been higher, it would have dropped more. 

The other two were very similar, and drops will be similar. 

It's almost like pushing a reset button, but it's an unpleasant button. 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Scorecard reassignment and wonky score changes?


@Remedios wrote:

Sorry, @Anonymous 

I  thought I was prepared for the drop since I knew it was coming, but...not pretty. 


Oh it's alright - all academic at this point anyway.

 

I don't need any more cards or an auto loan, and I'm not even sure anymore about settling down in a few years in my own house. Yet, it still feels comforting to have good credit scores. Might change my mind about owning property and all that, so it's always better to be prepared.

 

That EX 2 +8 gain has me wondering what might happen with EQ5/TU4. I'm thinking those 2 will go up, since it's hard to believe EX 2 would be higher with 2 scorable inquiries when the other 2 have 0.

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Remedios
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Re: Scorecard reassignment and wonky score changes?

@Anonymous  as my HPs dropped off and accounts reached a year (I still have one under a year), older scoring models went up up up.

 

This is EX as of today.Screenshot_20201201-081406_Experian.jpg

 

 

10/31/2020

8 classic 753

2 732

Auto 8 747 

Auto 2 727

BC 8 769

BC 3 738

BC 2 711

 

 

11/01/2020 

 

8 classic 753

2 744

Auto 8 747

Auto 2 738

BC 8 769

BC 3 738

BC 2 747

 

 

11/05/2020 

 

8 classic 757

2  748

Auto 8 753

Auto 2 742

BC 8 773

BC 3 744

BC 2 751

 

I'd have to dig for earlier ones. 

This is with 4 cards reporting, same utilization. 

 

 

Prior to October, anything older than 8 was slumming between 700 and 730. 

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Scorecard reassignment and wonky score changes?


@Anonymous wrote:

@Remedios wrote:

Sorry, @Anonymous 

I  thought I was prepared for the drop since I knew it was coming, but...not pretty. 


Oh it's alright - all academic at this point anyway.

 

I don't need any more cards or an auto loan, and I'm not even sure anymore about settling down in a few years in my own house. Yet, it still feels comforting to have good credit scores. Might change my mind about owning property and all that, so it's always better to be prepared.

 

That EX 2 +8 gain has me wondering what might happen with EQ5/TU4. I'm thinking those 2 will go up, since it's hard to believe EX 2 would be higher with 2 scorable inquiries when the other 2 have 0.


@Anonymous your two year age of oldest Revolving account is not conflated on the mortgage scores. Therefore we can get thresholds and gains there. Also remember that the Experian mortgage model has a higher maximum real world score so it being a little higher might not be counterintuitive. 

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