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How is the scoring for the credit card balances computed? Is it for a single card balance or balance on all cards. What I am asking is I have 18 cards with balances. Should I pay off 16 cards and keep balances on 2 cards ? If I my balance on the remaining 2 cards exceeds the 80% of the credit limit does it still hurt the scores? I am trying to figure out how I should pay off the cards to improve my scores. Total oustanding balance is $67k and planning to pay off $58k. There will be still a $10k balance left on accounts after this exercise. Any suggestions ?
@Red1Blue wrote:How is the scoring for the credit card balances computed? Is it for a single card balance or balance on all cards. What I am asking is I have 18 cards with balances. Should I pay off 16 cards and keep balances on 2 cards ? If I my balance on the remaining 2 cards exceeds the 80% of the credit limit does it still hurt the scores? I am trying to figure out how I should pay off the cards to improve my scores. Total oustanding balance is $67k and planning to pay off $58k. There will be still a $10k balance left on accounts after this exercise. Any suggestions ?
There are three primary credit card related factors afftecting score.
They are:
1) Aggregate utilization (all cards combined). Maintain this under 9% for best results.You will see a significant score penalty when AG UT rises above 9%. Even so, AG UT in the 9% to 29% range is generally considered non risky credit behavior. If you are above 29%, pay down balances to get under 29% as a 1st step.
2) Individual credit card utilization. Maintain this under 29% for best results. That said a great many profiles see no impact on score with a card reporting 30% to 49% utilization. Avoid having a card report over 69% UT. UT % above that level represents increased risk. At all costs, avoid a card max out condition (90% or higher UT% - IMO) as that is a red flag that can have a major impact on score.
3) Number (%) of cards reporting a balance. Best to keep this under 1/3 but up to 1/2 of cards reporting balances is typically a non event.
Note: Aggregate utilization carries by far the greatest weight of the three listed for Fico 8 score. I find that # cards reporting has limited impact on Fico 8 but can significantly impact EQ and TU Fico 04 mortgage scores when more than 50% of cards report a balance.
In your case I would suggest having all individual cards report utilization under 49%. Reporting a balance on 3, 4 or 5 cards (still under 1/3) is unlikely to be a negative with your Fico 8 scores.
@Red1Blue wrote:How is the scoring for the credit card balances computed? Is it for a single card balance or balance on all cards. What I am asking is I have 18 cards with balances. Should I pay off 16 cards and keep balances on 2 cards ? If I my balance on the remaining 2 cards exceeds the 80% of the credit limit does it still hurt the scores? I am trying to figure out how I should pay off the cards to improve my scores. Total oustanding balance is $67k and planning to pay off $58k. There will be still a $10k balance left on accounts after this exercise. Any suggestions ?
Personally, with that many cards, I would pay all cards to under 30% each. Then I would start paying all the smallest remaining balances. With any remaining funds I would pay those with the highest interest rates. The object would be to wind up with that 10k remaining balances being on a few lower interest cards, with none of them having more than 30% utilization. While people often say 1 card with a balance, and all others at 0...that is important if you only have 3-4 cards. If you however have 18 like you say, having a balance on 3 cards will not hurt your score much. That would be 1/6th of your cards with a balance. If however you only have 4 cards, and 3 of them have a balance...that's 3/4 of your available cads with a balance. What I'm trying to say is 3 out of 18 cards does not look as bad to CRA as 3 out of 4, even though in both cases 3 cards are carrying balances. I have 15 cards, and though I PIF all cards by due date. Sometimes 1,2, or 3 cards report prior to being paid, and it seems to make no difference in my score.
Thomas_Thumb...I will deffer to your experience and alter my recomendations to <29% as opposed to the <30% I mentioned...otherwise we were typing out the same general ideas at the same time. So I would try for <29% on 3-4 lower interest cards, with 14 or 15 cards reporting 0 balance. Obviously you have info that >29% is the breaking point to the next higher risk level.
@Red1Blue wrote:How is the scoring for the credit card balances computed? Is it for a single card balance or balance on all cards. What I am asking is I have 18 cards with balances. Should I pay off 16 cards and keep balances on 2 cards ? If I my balance on the remaining 2 cards exceeds the 80% of the credit limit does it still hurt the scores? I am trying to figure out how I should pay off the cards to improve my scores. Total oustanding balance is $67k and planning to pay off $58k. There will be still a $10k balance left on accounts after this exercise. Any suggestions ?
As noted, keeping overall utilization down is good. Keeping utilization on individual cards lower, is good. However, there is the factor of your remaining $10,000 which will be a carried balance.
What cards do you have, and are there options to ensure the $10,000 either stays on a low APR card, or can be moved to a low APR card, even if that low APR situation is greater than 50% (up to 80%) of the low APR card?
If you only have one low-APR option, putting as much of that carried balance on that low APR option saves real cash in reduced interest cost out the door, which I think is a serious aspect to consider. FICO is nice, cash is nicer.
I don't think it's really necesary to over think this.
The OP has $67k in CC debt and is about to pay off $58k of it. No matter how that $58k is spread out across his 18 cards, it's going to result in a significant score improvement. Could it be a few points different if he leaves the $9k balance on 1-3 cards verses spreading it over 4-6? Maybe, but the difference will be insignificant. TT stated the 3 criteria that matter and overall utilization is always going to be King. Regardless of how you take down the individual balances, the overall utilization drop will be the same and you're going to see a health score increase.
I have paid $38k towards 9 accounts in full and 4 accounts 50%. Now that leaves a balance of $35k on 6 accounts. This gave me Free Available credit of $45k on my accounts. I have $22k cash and $35K credit card balance on 6 accounts. I have a balance of $9k on two installment loans with 10 months to pay off. But the monthly payment is $950/month, which is affecting my cash flow. My question is should I pay off $9k towards the installment loans and save my self from large payments even though I would be paying some interest on higher credit cards? I am trying to juggle between the high interest loans, monthly payments, cash flow and also improve scores. Hopefully I’ll pay off the remaining balances soon and have a decent / debt free life soon.