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Red1Blue
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Scoring for Credit Card balances

How is the scoring for the credit card balances computed? Is it for a single card balance or balance on all cards. What I am asking is I have 18 cards with balances. Should I pay off 16 cards and keep balances on 2 cards ? If I my balance on the remaining 2 cards exceeds the 80% of the credit limit does it still hurt the scores? I am trying to figure out how I should pay off the cards to improve my scores. Total oustanding balance is $67k and planning to pay off $58k. There will be still a $10k balance left on accounts after this exercise. Any suggestions ?

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AverageJoesCredit
Legendary Contributor

Re: Scoring for Credit Card balances

Good day, im sure if you get more specific on what cards have what balances or their aprs youll get awesome pointed advice. Going from 67k in debt to 10 is gonna do wonders for your score no matter what. From what ive learned you could pay off the higher interest cards first and work down or you could pay off all lower cl cards and then attack the remaining. Good luckSmiley Happy
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rmduhon
Valued Contributor

Re: Scoring for Credit Card balances

For optimal scoring you want 1 card reporting a balance of less than 9% for that card. But if you can get less than half of your cards reporting a balance then you'll get a boost. Even more of a boost if you can get high UTI paid down per card. I'd suggest paying enough cards to get less than half reporting balances and knock the 80% UTI cards down to at least less than 50%. Then see what you have to work with after that.
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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Scoring for Credit Card balances


@Red1Blue wrote:

How is the scoring for the credit card balances computed? Is it for a single card balance or balance on all cards. What I am asking is I have 18 cards with balances. Should I pay off 16 cards and keep balances on 2 cards ? If I my balance on the remaining 2 cards exceeds the 80% of the credit limit does it still hurt the scores? I am trying to figure out how I should pay off the cards to improve my scores. Total oustanding balance is $67k and planning to pay off $58k. There will be still a $10k balance left on accounts after this exercise. Any suggestions ?

 

 


There are three primary credit card related factors afftecting score.

They are:

1) Aggregate utilization (all cards combined). Maintain this under 9% for best results.You will see a significant score penalty when AG UT rises above 9%. Even so, AG UT in the 9% to 29% range is generally considered non risky credit behavior. If you are above 29%, pay down balances to get under 29% as a 1st step.

2) Individual credit card utilization. Maintain this under 29% for best results. That said a great many profiles see no impact on score  with a card reporting 30% to 49% utilization. Avoid having a card report over 69% UT. UT % above that level represents increased risk. At all costs, avoid a card max out condition (90% or higher UT% - IMO) as that is a red flag that can have a major impact on score.

3) Number (%) of cards reporting a balance. Best to keep this under 1/3 but up to 1/2 of cards reporting balances is typically a non event.

 

Note: Aggregate utilization carries by far the greatest weight of the three listed for Fico 8 score. I find that # cards reporting has limited impact on Fico 8 but can significantly impact EQ and TU Fico 04 mortgage scores when more than 50% of cards report a balance.

 

In your case I would suggest having all individual  cards report utilization under 49%. Reporting a balance on 3, 4 or 5 cards (still under 1/3) is unlikely to be a negative with your Fico 8 scores. 

 

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Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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sarge12
Senior Contributor

Re: Scoring for Credit Card balances


@Red1Blue wrote:

How is the scoring for the credit card balances computed? Is it for a single card balance or balance on all cards. What I am asking is I have 18 cards with balances. Should I pay off 16 cards and keep balances on 2 cards ? If I my balance on the remaining 2 cards exceeds the 80% of the credit limit does it still hurt the scores? I am trying to figure out how I should pay off the cards to improve my scores. Total oustanding balance is $67k and planning to pay off $58k. There will be still a $10k balance left on accounts after this exercise. Any suggestions ?


Personally, with that many cards, I would pay all cards to under 30% each. Then I would start paying all the smallest remaining balances. With any remaining funds I would pay those with the highest interest rates. The object would be to wind up with that 10k remaining balances being on a few lower interest cards, with none of them having more than 30% utilization. While people often say 1 card with a balance, and all others at 0...that is important if you only have 3-4 cards. If you however have 18 like you say, having a balance on 3 cards will not hurt your score much. That would be 1/6th of your cards with a balance. If however you only have 4 cards, and 3 of them have a balance...that's 3/4 of your available cads with a balance. What I'm trying to say is 3 out of 18 cards does not look as bad to CRA as 3 out of 4, even though in both cases 3 cards are carrying balances. I have 15 cards, and though I PIF all cards by due date. Sometimes 1,2, or 3 cards report prior to being paid, and it seems to make no difference in my score.

TU fico08=824 06/16/24
EX fico08=815 06/16/24
EQ fico09=809 06/16/24
EX fico09=799 06/16/24
EQ fico bankcard08=838 06/16/24
TU Fico Bankcard 08=847 06/16/24
EQ NG1 fico=802 04/17/21
EQ Resilience index score=58 03/09/21
Unknown score from EX=784 used by Cap1 07/10/20
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sarge12
Senior Contributor

Re: Scoring for Credit Card balances

Thomas_Thumb...I will deffer to your experience and alter my recomendations to <29% as opposed to the <30% I mentioned...otherwise we were typing out the same general ideas at the same time. So I would try for <29% on 3-4 lower interest cards, with 14 or 15 cards reporting 0 balance. Obviously you have info that >29% is the breaking point to the next higher risk level.

TU fico08=824 06/16/24
EX fico08=815 06/16/24
EQ fico09=809 06/16/24
EX fico09=799 06/16/24
EQ fico bankcard08=838 06/16/24
TU Fico Bankcard 08=847 06/16/24
EQ NG1 fico=802 04/17/21
EQ Resilience index score=58 03/09/21
Unknown score from EX=784 used by Cap1 07/10/20
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NRB525
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Re: Scoring for Credit Card balances


@Red1Blue wrote:

How is the scoring for the credit card balances computed? Is it for a single card balance or balance on all cards. What I am asking is I have 18 cards with balances. Should I pay off 16 cards and keep balances on 2 cards ? If I my balance on the remaining 2 cards exceeds the 80% of the credit limit does it still hurt the scores? I am trying to figure out how I should pay off the cards to improve my scores. Total oustanding balance is $67k and planning to pay off $58k. There will be still a $10k balance left on accounts after this exercise. Any suggestions ?


As noted, keeping overall utilization down is good. Keeping utilization on individual cards lower, is good. However, there is the factor of your remaining $10,000 which will be a carried balance.

What cards do you have, and are there options to ensure the $10,000 either stays on a low APR card, or can be moved to a low APR card, even if that low APR situation is greater than 50% (up to 80%) of the low APR card?

 

If you only have one low-APR option, putting as much of that carried balance on that low APR option saves real cash in reduced interest cost out the door, which I think is a serious aspect to consider. FICO is nice, cash is nicer.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: Scoring for Credit Card balances

I don't think it's really necesary to over think this.

 

The OP has $67k in CC debt and is about to pay off $58k of it.  No matter how that $58k is spread out across his 18 cards, it's going to result in a significant score improvement.  Could it be a few points different if he leaves the $9k balance on 1-3 cards verses spreading it over 4-6?  Maybe, but the difference will be insignificant.  TT stated the 3 criteria that matter and overall utilization is always going to be King.  Regardless of how you take down the individual balances, the overall utilization drop will be the same and you're going to see a health score increase.

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Anonymous
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Re: Scoring for Credit Card balances

All of the above poster explain very well the most important is overall. You can break a few rules by having a few cards 40 or 50% without much punishment but only if your overall is still very low. Facts don't lie, that is why when carrying on all of your cards even small balances you get dinged too. Statistics show people who do that are more risky than those who don't. They are just handicapping a horse race that never ends and the only winners are the banks.
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Red1Blue
Super Contributor

Re: Scoring for Credit Card balances

I have paid $38k towards 9 accounts in full and 4 accounts 50%. Now that leaves a balance of $35k on 6 accounts. This gave me Free Available credit of $45k on my accounts. I have $22k cash and $35K credit card balance on 6 accounts. I have a balance of $9k on two installment loans with 10 months to pay off. But the monthly payment is $950/month, which is affecting my cash flow. My question is should I pay off $9k towards the installment loans and save my self from large payments even though I would be paying some interest on higher credit cards? I am trying to juggle between the high interest loans, monthly payments, cash flow and also improve scores. Hopefully I’ll pay off the remaining balances soon and have a decent / debt free life soon.

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