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Should a refi count as a new account?

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marty56
Super Contributor

Should a refi count as a new account?

Many people, including myself, have taken advantage of better rates and better credit scores to refi their mortgage and cars.  IMHO FICO should  remove the hit (if any) of a refi as a new account since it really isnt (debt wise).

 

I am waiting for GEMB to update my zero balance on my Sams card to see how much of a hit I got on TU.  EQ hasn't been affected but I know others have seen a score drop.

 

I also understand that AAoA must be changed as a result of the refi.

1/25/2021: FICO 850 EQ 848 TU 847 EX
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smallfry
Senior Contributor

Re: Should a refi count as a new account?

This is one flaw in the scoring system. You can throw in a refi on a car loan too.
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Anonymous
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Re: Should a refi count as a new account?

A re-fi isn't new debt - but it is new credit.
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smallfry
Senior Contributor

Re: Should a refi count as a new account?


@Anonymous wrote:
A re-fi isn't new debt - but it is new credit.

You shouldn't get penalized for a new account/lower AAofA and you do. Both are not examples of additional debt load.

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marty56
Super Contributor

Re: Should a refi count as a new account?

Yes because FICO scores are all about rish prediction, the is zero risk in refi.
1/25/2021: FICO 850 EQ 848 TU 847 EX
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RobertEG
Legendary Contributor

Re: Should a refi count as a new account?

IMHO, it is a new account.  It requires a new contract, with new terms.

It is a request for extension of credit, and thus a legitimate hard pull.

 

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smallfry
Senior Contributor

Re: Should a refi count as a new account?


@RobertEG wrote:

IMHO, it is a new account.  It requires a new contract, with new terms.

It is a request for extension of credit, and thus a legitimate hard pull.

 


Legitimacy of a hard pull was not in question.

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RobertEG
Legendary Contributor

Re: Should a refi count as a new account?

OP questioned the hit. 
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smallfry
Senior Contributor

Re: Should a refi count as a new account?


@RobertEG wrote:
OP questioned the hit. 

The "hit" or "ding" of a new account was the question.

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Anonymous
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Re: Should a refi count as a new account?

While a new refi doesn't represent new debt, it is new credit. 

 

In addition, refi sometimes represents new debt, with cash out or rolling other debt into the refi, thus leaving potential to run up new unsecured debt.

 

There is also the factor that a refi is based upon current financial circumstances, income, etc.  While this doesn't make a difference on the CR, it does represent POSSIBLE risk because sometimes refi is done to restructure debt due to a need to reduce costs related to financial distress.

 

Sometimes a refi is an effort to compensate for income reductions, etc.

 

FICO really just uses the law of large numbers.  This takes all credit reports and then compares and correlates trends related to which items of credit are most associated to which other factors.

 

The unfortunate side of trends (averages) is that it won't be an exact fit for all circumstances, yet we all get put into one of these buckets.

 

The fact remains that a refi MIGHT be a sign of financial need.  All new credit (the need to borrow money) can represent some potential risk.

 

FICO is a bit like genetics and medical predispositions.  There are things you can do to "reduce your risk" for certain diseases.  But nothing eliminates the risk.  In fact, most of the risk factors that we are told to avoid are those things known to be "associated with" and not necessarily a cause in and of itself.

 

My point is this.  Where there is smoke there may be fire.  That is what FICO looks at.  It is not individualized, it cannot be.  The law of large numbers requires that it not look at individuals, but at the masses.  The law of large numbers can only be accurate if it ignores the individual case and looks only at the "big picture."

 

 

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