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@SirMiloIt will suffer when the mortgage TL drops, since thats your only loan on record right? Plan on losing points. Since you are in a thin card, penalty may be higher. Advise SSL before it drops, IMHO.
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@SirMiloIt will suffer when the mortgage drops, since thats your only open loan on record right? Plan on losing 30 points +\- 10. Since you are in a thin card, penalty may be at higher end. Advise SSL before it drops, IMHO.
Birdman7, that is correct.
The closed mortgage is the only loan showing if that is what you are asking when you say "open loan on record". I definitely want to do something since I have already witnessed, with my Experian score, what I can expect when it drops from the other 2 reports. In addition to adding a loan, do you, or anyone else for that matter, think it would be a good idea to add maybe 1-2 more revolvers to create a thick file even though it will hurt my scores initially? Let's keep in mind that I have no intentions of obtaining a large loan, mortgage, or a car note unless some tragic and unforseen situation comes into play.
What revolvers do you have currently, and what are their dates opened and limits? My personal inclination is not to open accounts just for future score benefits, but I also somewhat dislike managing accounts and wouldn't want more than a few. If you have no intention of taking out any long term loans in the future, then about the only reason to try to get a future score boost from more revolvers would be to get better terms on yet more revolvers. If you don't find you need the extra revolvers now for anything other than potential future score gains, then you also may not find a great need for even more cards down the road.






@Slabenstein wrote:What revolvers do you have currently, and what are their dates opened and limits? My personal inclination is not to open accounts just for future score benefits, but I also somewhat dislike managing accounts and wouldn't want more than a few. If you have no intention of taking out any long term loans in the future, then about the only reason to try to get a future score boost from more revolvers would be to get better terms on yet more revolvers. If you don't find you need the extra revolvers now for anything other than potential future score gains, then you also may not find a great need for even more cards down the road.
Thanks for the advice. In my world, it may not really make much difference since my total SL was $4950 between 2 cards up until late 2019. I have no idea why I am now all of a sudden concerned with credit since i've never cared over the last 54 years. It probably has much to do with the extra time I have available due to the pandemic.
This is what I have open and reporting from oldest to newest.
CapOne Platinum Visa (QS rewards after PC)- opened 12/2006 SL=$1250
BBVA ClearPoints- opened 4/2016 SL=$3700
AmEx CM- opened 10/2019 SL=$10K
Chase FU- opened 10/2019 SL=$3700
Synchrony Amazon (closed)- opened 7/2019. I forgot about this one being on my reports.
I closed it after 3 payments due to Synchrony playing games with HP's and payment processing.
Since opening the last 2 revolvers, i've stopped paying for everything in cash and have started putting all of my monthly expenses on them while paying multiple times a month. It's reasonably obvious why I have a thin account and, at this point in my life, I probably shouldn't even be worrying about the minutia of my credit.
@SirMilo wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@SirMiloIt will suffer when the mortgage drops, since thats your only open loan on record right? Plan on losing 30 points +\- 10. Since you are in a thin card, penalty may be at higher end. Advise SSL before it drops, IMHO.Birdman7, that is correct.
The closed mortgage is the only loan showing if that is what you are asking when you say "open loan on record". I definitely want to do something since I have already witnessed, with my Experian score, what I can expect when it drops from the other 2 reports. In addition to adding a loan, do you, or anyone else for that matter, think it would be a good idea to add maybe 1-2 more revolvers to create a thick file even though it will hurt my scores initially? Let's keep in mind that I have no intentions of obtaining a large loan, mortgage, or a car note unless some tragic and unforseen situation comes into play.
@SirMilo I misspoke, I meant only loan on record, not open loan.
@SirMilo wrote:
@Slabenstein wrote:What revolvers do you have currently, and what are their dates opened and limits? My personal inclination is not to open accounts just for future score benefits, but I also somewhat dislike managing accounts and wouldn't want more than a few. If you have no intention of taking out any long term loans in the future, then about the only reason to try to get a future score boost from more revolvers would be to get better terms on yet more revolvers. If you don't find you need the extra revolvers now for anything other than potential future score gains, then you also may not find a great need for even more cards down the road.
Thanks for the advice. In my world, it may not really make much difference since my total SL was $4950 between 2 cards up until late 2019. I have no idea why I am now all of a sudden concerned with credit since i've never cared over the last 54 years. It probably has much to do with the extra time I have available due to the pandemic.
This is what I have open and reporting from oldest to newest.
CapOne Platinum Visa (QS rewards after PC)- opened 12/2006 SL=$1250
BBVA ClearPoints- opened 4/2016 SL=$3700
AmEx CM- opened 10/2019 SL=$10K
Chase FU- opened 10/2019 SL=$3700
Synchrony Amazon (closed)- opened 7/2019. I forgot about this one being on my reports.
I closed it after 3 payments due to Synchrony playing games with HP's and payment processing.
Since opening the last 2 revolvers, i've stopped paying for everything in cash and have started putting all of my monthly expenses on them while paying multiple times a month. It's reasonably obvious why I have a thin account and, at this point in my life, I probably shouldn't even be worrying about the minutia of my credit.
It's kind of the same thing for me. My credit history isn't quite as long, but due to the pandemic I'm currently a homemaker with no kids, and learning about the credit world is one of the things I've found to occupy my time. And it's been of some benefit to us, since I've been able to do a little bit to help my spouse with their rebuild.
You have four open revolvers and from how you describe your use it doesn't sound like you need to add any limits for util padding, so from the perspective of score optimization, you're probably fine. For score 8, 1 loan and 3 revolvers seems to what you need for a good score contrib from credit mix. (The algorithm seems to want more from that category to completely maximize it, but I have no idea what it wants. You can get a great overall score with one loan and 3 revolvers, regardless.) I don't know as much about mortgage scores. I believe @Anonymous recommends five revolvers to optimize those, but if you already own your home and aren't likely to move it may not be worth bothering about.
If you're finding credit an interesting hobby, one thing you could do is research optimizing your rewards now that you've switched your spend to your cc's. With your current cash back line-up, it looks like you have 1.5% base from several cards, 3% on dining and pharmacy purchases, and 3%/2% on your BBVA selections. So you could analyze your spend, see if there are other categories where enough is going through your cards to try to get more than 1.5%, and then research and compare what options you have among the different issuers. Like, if you got the Synch card b/c you use Amazon quite a bit, there's also the two Chase Amazon cards and Affinity CU's rewards card.






@SirMiloActually I was misthinking, (if that’s a word) It’s a closed loan, so it dropping off should only affect ages and credit mix since you have no other loans. (I was thinking it was open and you would be losing the bonus points for having low aggregate installment utilization.) Since you have an older account, I don’t see its dropping causing as many points lost as I predicted earlier had it been open.
Now I’m wondering if there are any other differences between your Experian report and the others that are contributing to that 40 point variance. If you don’t mind could you give us all of your profile statistics and have you pulled your reports from ACR? Their free weekly until I think April 2021. If not, do so.
You have no sort of derogatories or delinquencies. You have 1 closed mortgage, 5 revolvers and 1 loan on TransUnion and Equifax, with one revolver closed. And at Experian you have 5 revolvers with 1 closed. You have no accounts younger than 12 months old. Correct?
I remember you said Experian had 2 more inquiries, but what’s the total inquiry count at each bureau? Which card have you not used in the longest and how long has it been?
So you should be in a clean/thin/mature/new accounts scorecard, I believe. As a matter fact, you can watch for points on 1 October from scorecard reassignment to a "Clean/thin/mature/no new accounts” scorecard.
The scores you have posted, you said were from AZEO? With what % utilization? Was the utilization across bureaus and the number/percentage of accounts/revolvers with a balance the same across bureaus? What were your total revolving balances when the scores were pulled?
AoOIA, AAoIA, AAoA, & mix will all be reduced and score penalized upon the closed mortgage dropping. We really don’t have an idea of exactly how much because no one‘s really been tracking aging metrics with regard to loans. Their existence, I believe, was only recently made known broadly throughout the forum by the Primer. Nevertheless, to borrow a phrase from BBS, revolving metrics are King to installment metrics.
So if you go get an SSL, which was suggested by @NRB525 , myself, and @Slabenstein , it will counter the mix metric loss. It will not, however, counter the losses from installment ages and will slightly reduce your AAOA.
However if you get and pay the proposed SSL down to 9% B/L, you’ll get a nice bonus on 8 & 9 from having low installment utilization, which may make up for the loss from aging. You don’t have to pay it down to 9% right now; you can wait until you need a score boost, but if you wait, you’ll be paying more interest in the meantime, so you could just pay it down to 9% get your score boost and then put it on auto pay for $5 a month or whatever.
You have everything to gain and nothing to lose, except a couple dollars in interest, if you go get an SSL and properly execute the SSLT. Just remember, it must be at an institution that does not advance the maturity date when you make extra payments.
And while it’s hard to predict the score loss it’ll definitely be more in a thin scorecard. It’s possible it could be in the neighborhood that I predicted earlier, but I don’t really think so.
If we can determine whether there are any other differences among your reports other than the mortgage at Experian, we’ll have more insight.
Do you recall how many points you lost when the mortgage was removed from Experian? Or were you paying attention at that time?
Additionally the SSL will continue to help you up to 10 years and maybe more after it matures, so this is actually potentially a 15 year solution in part.
@Slabenstein and @Anonymous ,
Thank you both (and all others who have responed) for making recommendations based on my concerns, needs, and patterns.
I have already pretty much plotted out where to distrubute rewards on my cards for the best results. On my BBVA card, I always keep my 3x category parked on Utilities since I cycle a minimum of $7k (incl. house/car insurance) through that annually and it always remains my highest consistent spend category. Too bad my property taxes charge a cc fee or I would gladly accept some rewards for that monster too.
I try to pay attention to averages of spend and other current card offers to determine which quarterly BBVA 2x category that I will choose. I also try to take advantage of the options like the current 4% rewards for groceries on BBVA. I took full advantage with the recent AmEx "shop small" rewards and used it the maximum 10x that were available. I also intend to put the Chase to work with the 3% pharmacy option. I always try to take advantage of any useful higher reward values on any given card when possible. If there is no reward beyond the base 1.5%, spend goes to CapOne to keep it active. I could definetly see how this might become work if I held more revolvers. Thanks again everyone, your assistance has been greatly appreciated!
As far as Amazon is concerned, I am no longer a Prime subscriber and haven't done much business with them in the last year. Now that tax is collected on almost everything purchased online, there wasn't much reason to continue since the prices, in most cases, were never that great unless you happened into a flash sale.
@SirMilo did you say car insurance codes under utilities?!! If so, does that occur anywhere else on any other cards that any members know?