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The Truth about Credit Card Utilization

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Credit4Growth
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Re: The Truth about Credit Card Utilization

 


@Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for all the wonderful information everyone! Thank you for being understanding as well. I've been using credit for 40+ yrs but I havent bothered to look into details like this. I am enjoying reading and educating myself on the important life matter that is your credit. Stupid that I waited this long to try and educate myself but I am learning. 

So for the off cycle reporting, who would I speak to at Citi? I saw on the link to talk to execs but customer serv has to help I would think!


@Anonymous 

1. Good luck to you with the vehicle.  You probably did most of the things suggested so you should get a better rate... although I an not 100% sure which version of scores the the preapproval was from.

 

2. Welcome to the forums!

 

3. You definitely came to the right thread in this forum to be able read/learn a lot in a short amount of time

 

Cheers!

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Anonymous
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Re: The Truth about Credit Card Utilization

I just looked at the 3 FICO 8 scores I have on experian's website that updated this morning. It shows that I am at 

664: Experian 

722: Equifax 

654: Transunion 

 

Which service do I believe? MYFICO or Experian? 

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Anonymous
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Re: The Truth about Credit Card Utilization

Thank youHeart

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Anonymous
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Re: The Truth about Credit Card Utilization


@Anonymous wrote:

I just looked at the 3 FICO 8 scores I have on experian's website that updated this morning. It shows that I am at 

664: Experian 

722: Equifax 

654: Transunion 

 

Which service do I believe? MYFICO or Experian? 


If Experians is from today, it should be accurate. when is the one from MF from?

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Credit4Growth
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Re: The Truth about Credit Card Utilization


@Anonymous wrote:

I just looked at the 3 FICO 8 scores I have on experian's website that updated this morning. It shows that I am at 

664: Experian 

722: Equifax 

654: Transunion 

 

Which service do I believe? MYFICO or Experian? 


Congrats!!! Those were pretty good increases on 2 of those bureaus... 👍😁  nice work, Transunion may just happen to be slow to update...

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: The Truth about Credit Card Utilization

Yeah that’s another issue, sometimes the updates are delayed. A fresh pull from either source should give accurate information as of now, even though it may change once updated.

Number one you got to wait on the bureau to update its file when its received from the creditor. The other issue is, if you’re going by alerts, you can’t count on that. But if you actually do a fresh pull and pay for it, whether it be from Experian or MF, it should match and should be accurate, if they are from the same time.

If its from the same time and has different scores then count on Experian and contact MF customer service to find out the problem with their pull.
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Anonymous
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Re: The Truth about Credit Card Utilization

I have a question about the individual and aggregate UTI point deductions referenced in this post. It could be that I am just dense but looking for some clarity either way!

If a single card was reporting over 89% UTI would the point deduction based on your chart be 10 points for being over 89% or the sum of all the other thresholds deductions as well? (5 points under 29% + 5 points 49% etc.)

Same question for aggregate UTI. 
Cheers!

 

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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: The Truth about Credit Card Utilization

If yor are referring to the table in this link: https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Credit-Scoring-Utilization-Chart-Aggrega...

The score penalties reflected in the aggregate revolving optimization chart represent a cummulative total. So a 30 to 50 point penalty is total loss going to that utilization level from a zero point loss starting point. So, it would include the 5 to 20 point loss in that number.

 

If you are referring to the "tables" in this link: https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/The-Truth-about-Credit-Card-Utilization/...

The score penalties are reflecting the guestimated score drop associated with crossing into that utilization level from the one just below it. Total penalty from a zero point loss base case would be calculated by adding each incremental penalty together. [the individual and aggregate losses, when combined, over estimate total point loss. Fico looks at the highest individual utilization - NOT each card's utilization. There is no "multiple by the number of cards at this utilization level/divided by total # of cards". That's not how the Fico algorithm works.

 

Refer to the below link and paste.

https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/We-re-Tom-Quinn-amp-Tommy-Lee-FICO-Score...

Card utilization.jpg

P.S. In the above pasted example spreading out utilization across multiple cards won't change aggregate utilization but, it will lower point penalty associated with individual card utilization. HOWEVER, there are also scoring factors that looks at #/% of accounts with balances. Spreading out amount owed accross more cards can trigger this penalty. [Equifax penalizes harshly for too many cards with balances]

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Anonymous
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Re: The Truth about Credit Card Utilization

Thank you. My human calculator was trying to rectify both of those tables and the total point skew across both charts seemed off. I put it down to my fuzzy math on my part, good to know it was a bit of both! 
I should be switching this month from a clean/thick/agedish/no new accounts to clean/thick/agedish/new account scorecard at the begininng of the month while paying down and changing thresholds on individual and aggregate UTI. The DP's will be interesting, but trying to extrapolate how things end up over the next few weeks is getting a bit complicated!

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Anonymous
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Re: The Truth about Credit Card Utilization


@Anonymous wrote:

Thank you. My human calculator was trying to rectify both of those tables and the total point skew across both charts seemed off. I put it down to my fuzzy math on my part, good to know it was a bit of both! 
I should be switching this month from a clean/thick/agedish/no new accounts to clean/thick/agedish/new account scorecard at the begininng of the month while paying down and changing thresholds on individual and aggregate UTI. The DP's will be interesting, but trying to extrapolate how things end up over the next few weeks is getting a bit complicated!


@Anonymous so you added a revolver and it's about to report?

 

(And we've updated the language from aged to mature to match fico's terminology.) you should be considered mature if your oldest account is over 3 years old, at least on score 8.

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