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Kidcat
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Took 1 card to 96% utilization...

3 other cards under 30%, 12 cards at zero balance:

 

Lost

21pts on EX

31pts on EQ

29pts on TU

 

Ouch.  I will not be rapidly paying down the card, but probably will be below 90% on the next billing cycle.  What are the thresholds for score bumps?




Last app 09/21/2021. Gardening Goal Oct 2023
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Anonymous
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Re: Took 1 card to 96% utilization...

I've heard keeping it under 82% was ideal if you're going to keep a high balance?
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Kidcat
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Re: Took 1 card to 96% utilization...

Thanks. That's an interesting number. I will shoot for that within the next billing cycle instead of under 90%.



Last app 09/21/2021. Gardening Goal Oct 2023
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Took 1 card to 96% utilization...

I saw a good score rise last June, as my cards got to the point that each individual card was under 50%. Overall utilization was under 20%. You may see an improvement at 90% or 80% also.

 

We are always looking for datapoints to compare. Let us know how it goes as you pay down.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Kidcat
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Re: Took 1 card to 96% utilization...


@NRB525 wrote:

I saw a good score rise last June, as my cards got to the point that each individual card was under 50%. Overall utilization was under 20%. You may see an improvement at 90% or 80% also.

 

We are always looking for datapoints to compare. Let us know how it goes as you pay down.


Will do.  I've been using a spreadsheet for tracking my scores and utilization.  I won't be able to isolate the one card as much as I would want since I have a couple of other cards with balances.  May just pay those off, so I can follow the large one.

 

I was going to knock it under 82% as someone suggested, but I think I will know it to 89% for the next billing period and then work toward 82%, and then 80% after that at a more natural pace.  I will check in with data points.




Last app 09/21/2021. Gardening Goal Oct 2023
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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Took 1 card to 96% utilization...


@Kidcat wrote:

@NRB525 wrote:

I saw a good score rise last June, as my cards got to the point that each individual card was under 50%. Overall utilization was under 20%. You may see an improvement at 90% or 80% also.

 

We are always looking for datapoints to compare. Let us know how it goes as you pay down.


Will do.  I've been using a spreadsheet for tracking my scores and utilization.  I won't be able to isolate the one card as much as I would want since I have a couple of other cards with balances.  May just pay those off, so I can follow the large one.

 

I was going to knock it under 82% as someone suggested, but I think I will know it to 89% for the next billing period and then work toward 82%, and then 80% after that at a more natural pace.  I will check in with data points.


Yes, a good first step for testing would be to drop the card's utilization to just below the "max out" threshold. An actual maxout condition is said to tag on a score penalty over and above high high utilization deducts. Based on my data, max out is somewhere above 80% (I was ok at 80.1% on a card). Other results I have seen here suggest max out is above 85%. Experian defines maxout at 90% as indicated by their plus score graphic.(see below).

 

Consider something between 85% and 89% as a 1st step.

 

Some commonly held beliefs on card utilization thresholds relating to potential (profile dependent) score drops are: 70%, 50% and 30%. A couple other reporting tests that I think might shed some light are: 65% to 69% and 45% to 49%.

 

Plus Score Credit Usage.gif

 

See excerpt below from the article:

 

How 5 Financial Blunders Will Affect Your Credit Score

 

Credit Mistake

If your FICO score is 680

If your FICO score is 780

Maxed Out Credit Card

Down 10-30 points

Down 25-45 points

 

Maxed Out Credit Card – It may surprise some to learn that maxing out a credit card could lower your score. The reason is that historical data indicates that a maxed out card is an indication of financial stress. While not everybody who reaches their credit card limit is in financial trouble, many are. This is another reason to take advantage of balance transfer credit cards even while you are working to get out of credit card debt. A balance transfer can help you spread your credit card debt over more cards and allow you to benefit from a 0% introductory rate at the same time.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Kidcat
Established Contributor

Re: Took 1 card to 96% utilization...


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

@Kidcat wrote:

@NRB525 wrote:

I saw a good score rise last June, as my cards got to the point that each individual card was under 50%. Overall utilization was under 20%. You may see an improvement at 90% or 80% also.

 

We are always looking for datapoints to compare. Let us know how it goes as you pay down.


Will do.  I've been using a spreadsheet for tracking my scores and utilization.  I won't be able to isolate the one card as much as I would want since I have a couple of other cards with balances.  May just pay those off, so I can follow the large one.

 

I was going to knock it under 82% as someone suggested, but I think I will know it to 89% for the next billing period and then work toward 82%, and then 80% after that at a more natural pace.  I will check in with data points.


Yes, a good first step for testing would be to drop the card's utilization to just below the "max out" threshold. An actual maxout condition is said to tag on a score penalty over and above high high utilization deducts. Based on my data, max out is somewhere above 80% (I was ok at 80.1% on a card). Other results I have seen here suggest max out is above 85%. Experian defines maxout at 90% as indicated by their plus score graphic.(see below).

 

Consider something between 85% and 89% as a 1st step.

 

Some commonly held beliefs on card utilization thresholds relating to potential (profile dependent) score drops are: 70%, 50% and 30%. A couple other reporting tests that I think might shed some light are: 65% to 69% and 45% to 49%.

 

Plus Score Credit Usage.gif

 

See excerpt below from the article:

 

How 5 Financial Blunders Will Affect Your Credit Score

 

Credit Mistake

If your FICO score is 680

If your FICO score is 780

Maxed Out Credit Card

Down 10-30 points

Down 25-45 points

 

Maxed Out Credit Card – It may surprise some to learn that maxing out a credit card could lower your score. The reason is that historical data indicates that a maxed out card is an indication of financial stress. While not everybody who reaches their credit card limit is in financial trouble, many are. This is another reason to take advantage of balance transfer credit cards even while you are working to get out of credit card debt. A balance transfer can help you spread your credit card debt over more cards and allow you to benefit from a 0% introductory rate at the same time.


It makes since that EX considers maxed out at 90% and the other 2 somewhere lower.  EX's drop was not has steep as the other 2.  Though I've noticed in general that EX's score does not change as frequently as TU even with regular monthly fluctuations with balances.  

 

Since I have no plans to appy for anything within the next couple of years, it really will allow me to get the different data points on one card with high utilization.  Thanks for your advise.




Last app 09/21/2021. Gardening Goal Oct 2023
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Anonymous
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Re: Took 1 card to 96% utilization...

What i have noticed is not necessarily by uti, but by large chunk pmts, which in turn is uti. My score jumps and goes down appropriately.

I currently have a uti of 28%, but my pmts have not caught up to my scores (dont think they ever do). Once my bt's go through and my discover card starts reporting i probably will have a 12 - 15% uti...

Shooting for 4 - 6% uti.... i have that 1 card that was 72% uti and most under 30% uti and a fee 0% reporting.

The game never stop... like a ft job lol
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Kidcat
Established Contributor

Re: Took 1 card to 96% utilization...

It's definitely a part time job. I'm hoping that when my kitchen reno starts (1 week away) I will be sufficiently distracted from all things fico for a couple of months...lol




Last app 09/21/2021. Gardening Goal Oct 2023
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Anonymous
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Re: Took 1 card to 96% utilization...

When I've done score simulations, it always seemed like 90, 50, 25 and 10% resulted in score changes. And this was when I only had 1 revolving card reporting usage.
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