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Total Balance Owed Thresholds

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BrutalBodyShots
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Re: Total Balance Owed Thresholds

Good data, @Thomas_Thumb. Do you have any personal opinion (or direction you're leaning) as far as whether it's a dollar threshold or utilization threshold point that is more meaningful around the questionable area? It kind of stinks that $5k sort of correlates when utilization percentages that could equate to something.

 

On my file, $5k was only 1-2% and $10k a little over 3%, so I was no where near 5-6% which made the dollar amounts 100% noteworthy, IMO.

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Total Balance Owed Thresholds

@BrutalBodyShots 

I suspect both factors could be in play. During paydown I would drop below $5k before going below 5% (or 4.5% if rounded). Perhaps the 2 step point regain on EX F8 (+5, +5) was a result of going below $5k and then 5% (4.5%) after another card balance updated. Unfortunately, CRA reports only show monthly balance last reported as of month's end.

 

Clarifications on table data:

*[TCL = $85k no AU, $120k with AU]. AU card excluded from UT%.

* AMEX npsl included in total balance but not revolving AG UT%. Amex balances reported:  Nov 25 $0, Oct 25 $0, Set 25 $218, Aug 25 $0, Jul 25 $26 Jun 25 $0, May 25 $103, Apr 25 $0, Mar 25 $129, Feb 25 $0, Jan 25 $0, Dec 24 $0.

 

The EX9 score changes (-13, +13) could be the net impact of having crossed the two thresholds.

 

A potential 5% utilization threshold has come up in many past discussions. Total balance is a known factor for scoring but, the possible $5k threshold has not been discussed here previously.

 

More definitive data is needed from multiple sources. I prefer data tables. They allow others to independently analyze and make their own conclusions. Unfortunately with mine, time alignment to balances are lacking.

 

I have no ability to align score pull dates with aggregate $ or AG UT% after the fact using my reports - other than the Discover TU pulls where UT % is rounded.

 

The suggested $2k aggregate threshold is of interest. I seem to often hover around that level. Again, no way to time align score pulls with exact balances historically.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Zoostation1
Valued Contributor

Re: Total Balance Owed Thresholds

@Thomas_Thumb  Had an alert and score update today that follows the suspected 5% aggregate threshold you noted earlier in this thread, at least for EQ.  On my 3B pull from 3/3 I was at $3695/$74200 (4.98% rounding to 5%) and my EQ8 was 704.  2 cards reported to EQ today (decrease in total owed and CLI).  Now I'm reporting at $3430/$78200 (4.39% rounding down to 4%) and gained +4 on EQ8. Looking at that and the 10% individual possible threshold any my score history I think this is 4pts also 

 

TU8 seems immune to any 5% aggregate threshold and any 10% individual threshold though, at least on my dirty profile.  My TU8 score stayed at 700 June 2025 through Feb 2025.  It didn't budge when crossed up and down over the 5% aggregate, nor did it for 10% individual, nor did dropping down from 3/7 to 2/7 reporting change it over that stretch.  I finally gained +6 on 3/1 (crossed the 12 month mark for my only remaining HP on 2/23).  Yesterday when the 2 cards referenced above reported bringing down to that 4.39% and no movement.

 

 

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radiofrequencies
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Re: Total Balance Owed Thresholds


@Zoostation1 wrote:

@Thomas_Thumb  Had an alert and score update today that follows the suspected 5% aggregate threshold you noted earlier in this thread, at least for EQ.  On my 3B pull from 3/3 I was at $3695/$74200 (4.98% rounding to 5%) and my EQ8 was 704.  2 cards reported to EQ today (decrease in total owed and CLI).  Now I'm reporting at $3430/$78200 (4.39% rounding down to 4%) and gained +4 on EQ8. Looking at that and the 10% individual possible threshold any my score history I think this is 4pts also 

 

TU8 seems immune to any 5% aggregate threshold and any 10% individual threshold though, at least on my dirty profile.  My TU8 score stayed at 700 June 2025 through Feb 2025.  It didn't budge when crossed up and down over the 5% aggregate, nor did it for 10% individual, nor did dropping down from 3/7 to 2/7 reporting change it over that stretch.  I finally gained +6 on 3/1 (crossed the 12 month mark for my only remaining HP on 2/23).  Yesterday when the 2 cards referenced above reported bringing down to that 4.39% and no movement.

 


Thanks for sharing those data points. It definitely reinforces the fact that the FICO 8 algorithms vary slightly by bureau. The +4 on EQ8 after moving from 4.98% to 4.39% aggregate utilization suggests a possible 5% aggregate utilization threshold but at the same time total balances moved from $3,695 to $3,430. Couldn't that also suggest a $3,500 total balance threshold for EQ8 on your profile?

 

One thing I've always wondered is can the total balance thresholds be profile dependent? For example, does someone with a $15,000 TCL have the same total balance thresholds as someone with a $350,000 TCL?

 

Regarding your score gain on TU8 on 3/1, it's my understanding that HPs impact scores for 365 days so you should have seen the score increase from the HP turning 1 year old on 2/23/2026. Are you monitoring your TU8 via CreditWise? CreditWise updates daily but requires you to login once a day for daily updates. So I guess it's possible that you didn't log in between 2/23 and 3/1 to trigger a fresh soft pull and saw the HP points come back when you logged in on 3/1.

 

Another question for you... you said you have 7 credit cards. Do you have any other open accounts on your credit reports like installment loans?

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Zoostation1
Valued Contributor

Re: Total Balance Owed Thresholds


@radiofrequencies wrote:


Thanks for sharing those data points. It definitely reinforces the fact that the FICO 8 algorithms vary slightly by bureau. The +4 on EQ8 after moving from 4.98% to 4.39% aggregate utilization suggests a possible 5% aggregate utilization threshold but at the same time total balances moved from $3,695 to $3,430. Couldn't that also suggest a $3,500 total balance threshold for EQ8 on your profile?

 

One thing I've always wondered is can the total balance thresholds be profile dependent? For example, does someone with a $15,000 TCL have the same total balance thresholds as someone with a $350,000 TCL?

 

Regarding your score gain on TU8 on 3/1, it's my understanding that HPs impact scores for 365 days so you should have seen the score increase from the HP turning 1 year old on 2/23/2026. Are you monitoring your TU8 via CreditWise? CreditWise updates daily but requires you to login once a day for daily updates. So I guess it's possible that you didn't log in between 2/23 and 3/1 to trigger a fresh soft pull and saw the HP points come back when you logged in on 3/1.

 

Another question for you... you said you have 7 credit cards. Do you have any other open accounts on your credit reports like installment loans?


I have no installment loans, it's a revolver only profile.  As for monitoring my TU8, it was refreshed during that time period, including 2/28.

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radiofrequencies
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Re: Total Balance Owed Thresholds


@Zoostation1 wrote:


I have no installment loans, it's a revolver only profile.  As for monitoring my TU8, it was refreshed during that time period, including 2/28.


Interesting, thanks for the info. I would have expected the HP points to return in the 2/28 refresh. Were there any other aging metric milestones reached on 3/1?

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BrutalBodyShots
Established Contributor

Re: Total Balance Owed Thresholds


I finally gained +6 on 3/1 (crossed the 12 month mark for my only remaining HP on 2/23).  Yesterday when the 2 cards referenced above reported bringing down to that 4.39% and no movement.

The gains from an inquiry come 365 days after it was incurred, not on the 1st of the month following it. That is when aging metrics would all increase by 1 month. If the inquiry was worth 6 points, those 6 points would have returned 5-6 days prior.

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Zoostation1
Valued Contributor

Re: Total Balance Owed Thresholds

Given that I didn't get them back when 365 days passed that leads me to the thought that TU8 doesn't penalize for the first HP, at least on a dirty profile. I still can't figure out that 6pt TU8 gain on 3/1.  No reason I can think of holds up.  My highest utilization individually was 9.5%, but in the months prior crossing over and on any 9% or 10% threshold had no impact, also I was at 4.97% aggregate and crossing over any 5% threshold prior had no score change either. Something changed or aged, but I have no clue what.

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BrutalBodyShots
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Re: Total Balance Owed Thresholds

Since we're talking the first of the month, all signs point to an aging metric. If AAoA doesn't track, I'd like to things like AAoRA, AoORA, AoOIA, etc.

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Zoostation1
Valued Contributor

Re: Total Balance Owed Thresholds

@BrutalBodyShots my AoOA as shown on myFICO is 4yrs 5mo, AAoA and AAoRA is 3yrs 1mo.  So per myFICO I would have hit 3yrs AoORA in March, however only TU8 went up.  No change to EQ8 or EX8 for March 1st or on my 3/3 3B pull.  A couple weeks later, EQ8 went +4 and EX8 went +3, but those appears to be utilization or raw balance driven.  They were timed with reporting and have moved from 704 to 708 and 700 to 703 on mulitple occasions when my reported balances were at the same level. It doesn't make sense to me that only TU8 would increase from an aging metric (if that's what's behind the increase), but not EQ8 or EX8.

 

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