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ficohurts wrote:
I just got a loan pre-approval and both Equifax and TransUnion shows a new inquery (only inquery in 12 month). My equifax score didn't change, but TransUnion dropped 16 points! What is the time period I should "group all loan shopping together"? I read 1 week, but the loan officer told me it's 1 month.
What kind of loan did you apply for? For mortgages, student loans, and auto loans, the window to apply is 45 days using the newer FICO scoring models.
Mortgage inquiries within a 45 day window are treated as a single inquiry for scoring purposes. The inquiries will still appear on your credit report, but even if you have a dozen mortgage inquiries, it will only count as one.
In addition, to further limit the effect of inquiries made for mortgage shopping, the inquiries are suppressed from scoring for 30 days. So, if lender A pulls your scores on Thursday and lender B pulls on Friday, lender B's scores won't reflect the inquiry from the day before.
ficohurts wrote:
Lel, thanks for your detailed reply. So what you mean is even I see my fico score dropped 16 points, lender B won't see the drop because the first was just a few days ago?
I think I don't fully understand what you're seeing. When did that hard inquiry take place?
You said that your TU score dropped by 16 points. When and where did you get those scores - the before and after scores?
Assuming that a lender pulls the same TU version as a TU score that you pull from here, they will be the same. If there is mortgage inquiry on your report within the last 30 days, then this inquiry is not supposed to have an impact on your score. So, your score drop is being caused by something else.
But it may not be that simple. If you are comparing scores from here and from your lender, then your TU scores may not be the same. On this site, you get the TU 98 version, whereas most lenders are using TU 04. Scores generated from these two version are almost always different.
Lel, thanks for helping.
I did a pre-approval and 2 days later noticed a alert from TU (from myfico) and the new score is 16 points lower. Are you saying if I do more pre-approvals within 45 days it will not further lower my fico score? And even though my fico score is already 16 points lower, the pre-approval loan officer won't see it within 30 days (what you mean by suppressed for 30 days)
Okay, here is how it's supposed to work (as I understand it):
Let's say on April 1 you go to Able Bank to get pre-approved for a mortgage. An inquiry into your credit is made. The credit score pulled is 750.
On April 3 you go to Baker Bank to see if you can get a better rate. Another inquiry is made. The inquiry from Able Bank is visible, but it's not factored into your score (it's suppressed from scoring). Nothing else has changed on your credit report. The credit score pulled by Baker Bank is 750.
On May 20 you go to Charlie Bank to check rates. Another inquiry is made. Both inquiries from Able and Baker are on your credit report. Since these occurred over 30 days ago, they are factored into scoring. But because they were made within the 45 day window, they are treated as a single inquiry. Nothing else has changed on your credit report. The credit score pulled by Charlie Bank is 745.
On June 30 you go to Delta Bank for one last try at snagging getting a better rate. All three previous inquiries are factored into scoring. The inquiries from April 1 and 3 are scored as single inquiry, because they occurred within a single 45 day window. The May 20 inquiry, however, is factored separately. The net effect is that there are two inquiries affecting your score. Nothing else has changed on your credit report. The score pulled by Delta Bank is 740.
Still need to clarify something that you wrote - you said that you did a pre-approval and then two days later your score from this site was 16 points lower. Are you comparing the score that the lender pulled with the score from here? This is important to understand your situation.
Another thing to point out is the recurring sentence in what I've written above: "Nothing else has changed on your credit report." It is important not just to compare scores, but to compare the credit reports that generate the scores. If something else has changed on your report, even if seemingly subtle, it can have an effect on your score. It's sometimes hard to determine the precise effect of a specific change on your credit report, because changes don't always occur in isolation. Even the scenarios above can't really happen, since as time passes your accounts are going to age, and that alone can affect your score.
The last thing I'll add is that in order for the mortgage inquiries to be treated as above (allowing for the 45 day rate-shopping window and suppression from scoring for 30 days), it's important that the inquiries are properly coded as mortgage inquiries. If not, then they may have an immediate effect on your score.
I hope I got that all correct. If not, someone will step in to fix anything that I've gotten wrong.
Thanks Lel for such a detailed explanation. I am clear now on what you mean.
But no, I'm not comparing lender's score. I pulled my credit (from this site on 1/10/10) before going to pre-approval (on 1/29/10). 2 days after preapproval I got an alert the the credit score has dropped 16 points compared to early pull.
Oh, only TransUnion score is lowered. EQ score alsoshows the pull (alert), but score is unchanged.
Another edit, yes, I believe nothing else's changed. None of my credit card has posted any balance change (not much different anyway) during this timeframe.