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deepimpact97
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Utilization Reporting + Rebuilding Score

Hi All,
Looking to get a bit of help/guidance as I am at a loss. 

 

1 year ago I had a Fico score of 785, today it's 639. In that time I have not missed a single payment on any card. I've paid everything off in full prior to every statement date and do not carry balances. I have 3 cards, Amex Plat (15k) Apple Card (8k) and CSP (5k)

 

My company was acquired this year, and we no longer have corporate cards and I have to use my own. I travel for work a lot. This has had a massive impact on my CCU. Since January I've had about 60k in work expenses. My company pays out quickly, but I can't always time it right and don't want to come out of pocket til they reimburse every time.

 

Last month, I spent 101% of my CSP and it dinged my score 88 points. I paid it off 2 weeks before the payment date but it hasn't recovered. This whole process has been frustrating, I know I probably need more cards but with my score down I don't know what I can get and I'm fearful of more negative marks. My annual income is mid 6 figures without accounting for these employer expenses, I have 0 debt, I've never had any, and I just want to rebuild my fico score to help buy a home in the next 2/3 years. 

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GZG
Senior Contributor

Re: Utilization Reporting + Rebuilding Score


@deepimpact97 wrote:

Hi All,
Looking to get a bit of help/guidance as I am at a loss. 

 

1 year ago I had a Fico score of 785, today it's 639. In that time I have not missed a single payment on any card. I've paid everything off in full prior to every statement date and do not carry balances. I have 3 cards, Amex Plat (15k) Apple Card (8k) and CSP (5k)

 

My company was acquired this year, and we no longer have corporate cards and I have to use my own. I travel for work a lot. This has had a massive impact on my CCU. Since January I've had about 60k in work expenses. My company pays out quickly, but I can't always time it right and don't want to come out of pocket til they reimburse every time.

 

Last month, I spent 101% of my CSP and it dinged my score 88 points. I paid it off 2 weeks before the payment date but it hasn't recovered. This whole process has been frustrating, I know I probably need more cards but with my score down I don't know what I can get and I'm fearful of more negative marks. My annual income is mid 6 figures without accounting for these employer expenses, I have 0 debt, I've never had any, and I just want to rebuild my fico score to help buy a home in the next 2/3 years. 


list out all of your accounts and their balances and credit limits as they currently report on your credit report: https://www.annualcreditreport.com/index.action 

utilization has no memory, so as soon as those balances are paid back down and those balances report and you have not incurred a derogatory late payment 30 days+ your score should rebound to roughly where it was before. 

 

as a rule, in the future try not to have balances over 100% of your credit limit reporting on your credit report, even if you are paying it in full, it's not a derogatory for credit scoring, but creditors can see it as a negative and cite that as a credit denial reason 

 

but assuming you haven't been late and you have no collections, you should be all good in terms of your credit score, you just need the reported balances to go back to being much lower than being maxed out. 

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JoeRockhead
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Re: Utilization Reporting + Rebuilding Score

Welcome to the forum... from what information you've provided here, this sounds like a high reported utilization problem, although Chase does report mid cycle any time a balance is paid to zero and the Amex Platinum isn't factored... what is your reported utilization on the Apple card. 

 

 

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Utilization Reporting + Rebuilding Score


@deepimpact97 wrote:

Hi All,
Looking to get a bit of help/guidance as I am at a loss. 

 

1 year ago I had a Fico score of 785, today it's 639. In that time I have not missed a single payment on any card. I've paid everything off in full prior to every statement date and do not carry balances. I have 3 cards, Amex Plat (15k) Apple Card (8k) and CSP (5k)

 

My company was acquired this year, and we no longer have corporate cards and I have to use my own. I travel for work a lot. This has had a massive impact on my CCU. Since January I've had about 60k in work expenses. My company pays out quickly, but I can't always time it right and don't want to come out of pocket til they reimburse every time.

 

Last month, I spent 101% of my CSP and it dinged my score 88 points. I paid it off 2 weeks before the payment date but it hasn't recovered. This whole process has been frustrating, I know I probably need more cards but with my score down I don't know what I can get and I'm fearful of more negative marks. My annual income is mid 6 figures without accounting for these employer expenses, I have 0 debt, I've never had any, and I just want to rebuild my fico score to help buy a home in the next 2/3 years. 


My advice would be to start using the Amex Platinum for just about everything, since that does not count in the utilization computations; only the regular fixed limit cards -- your CSP and Apple cards -- figure into that.

 

If that doesn't do the trick, you're going to have readjust your priorities. I understand that you want to wait for the reimbursement from your employer rather than dig into your own dough, but if you want to improve your scores you'll have to cough up your own money to pay down the cards.

 

I agree that you should not apply for anything while your scores are depressed. Once you're up to 720 or higher you can feel free to go ahead and apply for another useful card.


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deepimpact97
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Re: Utilization Reporting + Rebuilding Score

Thank you! I didn't know that about Amex. My CCU on the Apple Card is sub 30% I pay it down once I hit about 3k. 

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Utilization Reporting + Rebuilding Score


@deepimpact97 wrote:

Hi All,
Looking to get a bit of help/guidance as I am at a loss. 

 

1 year ago I had a Fico score of 785, today it's 639. In that time I have not missed a single payment on any card. I've paid everything off in full prior to every statement date and do not carry balances. I have 3 cards, Amex Plat (15k) Apple Card (8k) and CSP (5k)

 

Last month, I spent 101% of my CSP and it dinged my score 88 points. I paid it off 2 weeks before the payment date but it hasn't recovered. This whole process has been frustrating, I know I probably need more cards but with my score down I don't know what I can get and I'm fearful of more negative marks. My annual income is mid 6 figures without accounting for these employer expenses, I have 0 debt, I've never had any, and I just want to rebuild my fico score to help buy a home in the next 2/3 years. 


Always keep reported balances on revolving credit cards under 49% utilization.

 

Your AMEX platinum is classified as an open account with 1 month terms - not as a revolver. Therefore, it will not factor into aggregate revolving utilization or highest utilization on an individual card.

 

As mentioned above, I would suggest putting a majority of business expenses on the AMEX. You may need to build up the hidden limit by increasing use over time. I suspect current hidden limit is $35k or $50k.

 

Once your score is back over 720, app for a couple additional revolving credit cards with high CL potential.

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Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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FicoMike0
Valued Contributor

Re: Utilization Reporting + Rebuilding Score

You've gotten good advice. One point that may not be obvious. Utilization is based on reported balance.  Almost all banks report on the date your account posts, not the due date. So, if your csp has a cl of $10,000 and posts on the 15th with a balance of $5,000, your util. is 50%. If you pay it to $900 on the 16th, your util. is still 50%, it already reported. Now Chase has a wildcard feature, they will report immediately if you pay to zero. If you paid the 101% to zero, Chase should have reported that. No one but you and chase will know about that until someone pulls your report/score. You can check annualcreditreport.com to find out. Your score may have recovered, most sources of scores only update once a month, so it's hard to find out.

Anyway, spread the charges out to manage util. As @Thomas_Thumb  suggested, you need more cl.

My experience is that amex is pretty generous with cl and cli. I would expect the plat. would meet travel needs, but amex has many actual credit cards to offer as well. They have hotel and airline contended cards that might fit your travel.

I am curious as to why you're paying the fee for plat, but not charging travel to it.

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Utilization Reporting + Rebuilding Score


@deepimpact97 wrote:

Thank you! I didn't know that about Amex. My CCU on the Apple Card is sub 30% I pay it down once I hit about 3k. 


To avoid a penalty it should be 28% or lower.


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