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Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?

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Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?

How does rounding work with respect to utilization % both on a single account and aggregate?

 

I always thought that the % always rounded down to the nearest whole number.  For example, 9.84% utilization on a single account would be seen as 9% utilization.  Is that correct, or would it round up to 10%? 

 

When talking aggregate utilization, if you have whole number utilization on one account, say 2%, but your overall aggregate utilization is less than 1%, say .4%, is your entire utilization then seen as 0%?

 

I ask this because when I pulled my 3B scores today I noticed a drop across all bureaus, and the reason was because of "not using credit" - "your credit report shows no recent balances on your revolving accounts."  One of my revolving accounts does have a balance though, $242 on a $9600 limit which is 2-3% utilization depending on if it rounds up or down.  My aggregate utilization however is .4% when taking into account all lines of credit.  Does this mean that in order to maximize my credit scores I need to report a monthly balance of roughly $600 on one account so that my aggregate utilization is at least 1% (whole number not rounded up)?  That seems a bit ridiculous to me.

 

Is there something else obvious that I'm missing here?

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JagerBombs89
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Re: Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?

Just looked at my last 3B report and I only had one account reporting a balance across 6 cards.  The individual utilization 1.87% and aggregate utilization was 0.73%  -  MyFICO reports my utilization as 1%

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Anonymous
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Re: Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?

Interesting.  I wonder if that means that it simply rounds up or down... .5+ = 1, .49 or less 0?

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?

Hello BBS.  Is it possible that the one card that is showing a balance is a charge card, rather than a true credit card?  Charge cards are often not counted in one's utilization -- thus if that card were a charge card your utilization would be 0.000%.

 

Likewise, same question about whether the card showing a balance is an AU account.  If it is, it might not be being counted as part of your U and your U would be 0%.

 

When you say "One of my revolving accounts does have a balance though, $242 on a $9600 limit" have you confirmed that all three reports are showing it as showing $242?

 

Utilization is always supposed to be rounded up.  That's what hundreds of people appear to have confirmed in the last few years, and it is the reason why a person can put all his cards at $0 with one card at $10 and still have a utilization of 1%.  The only exceptions I have heard of are the two I mention above, and these two others:

 

*  If a card is reporting a tiny balance (less than $3.01) then it can sometimes be treated as if it were $0.

 

*  If an individual credit limit is huge, then the whole tradeline might be removed from the U calculation.  Unsure how huge this would have to be.  Over 30k for sure, possibly larger.

 

I'd be very interested if FICO starts rounding to the nearest percent -- should be very easy to get lots of confirmations on if true.

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Revelate
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Re: Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?

You can't trust any third party service; not even MF (FICO Consumer) when it comes to rounding potentially.  

 

If you want to know, test it.  Eventually I'll get off my ass (namely when the Freedom no longer has 5x for restaurants most likely) and find a breakpoint on individual tradeline utilization and then testing rounding for that; however, that might not hold for aggregate.

 

When I was playing with AAOA it seemed to round fractional months up and then down on the years bit, but it's hard to say.




        
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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?


@Anonymous wrote:

How does rounding work with respect to utilization % both on a single account and aggregate?

 

I always thought that the % always rounded down to the nearest whole number.  For example, 9.84% utilization on a single account would be seen as 9% utilization.  Is that correct, or would it round up to 10%? 

 

When talking aggregate utilization, if you have whole number utilization on one account, say 2%, but your overall aggregate utilization is less than 1%, say .4%, is your entire utilization then seen as 0%?

 

I ask this because when I pulled my 3B scores today I noticed a drop across all bureaus, and the reason was because of "not using credit" - "your credit report shows no recent balances on your revolving accounts."  One of my revolving accounts does have a balance though, $242 on a $9600 limit which is 2-3% utilization depending on if it rounds up or down.  My aggregate utilization however is .4% when taking into account all lines of credit.  Does this mean that in order to maximize my credit scores I need to report a monthly balance of roughly $600 on one account so that my aggregate utilization is at least 1% (whole number not rounded up)?  That seems a bit ridiculous to me.

 

Is there something else obvious that I'm missing here?


I have looked at summary reports from EQ, TU, EX, CK, CS, MyFICO and others. Some aggregate utilization as a whole number while others display the percent in 0.1% increments. Some reports include AU accounts in the calculation while others do not.

 

Regardless of the display ... Fico 08 rounds up aggregate utilization for use in model scoring. Odds are the same approach would be used on an individual card basis. However, if charge is below some trivial amount (say $3), the balance is treated as zero.

 

As mentioned up thread, Fico 08 does not consider balances on AU cards when computing total balance nor AG UT% (earlier Fico models do). Charge cards are considered when computing total balance but the charge card balance(s) are not included in the numerator for AG UT% calculation.

 

Go to your account and look at the scoring details section in the score tab. [Note for the below I had one revolving credit card reporting a $33 balance and AMEX reporting $1997. I also had an AU card reporting a $576 balance. The AU card is not included in the below total balance. Although the charge card does show in the total balance it is not included in AG UT % calculation. I know this because when the card with a $33 balance updated to report $0, my total balance dropped to $1997 (AMEX card) and my utilization dropped to 0% from 1%. In both situations the AU card still showed the $576 balance.

 

I have conclusive data that verifies the below Ag UT l% which shows 1% is based solely on a single personal revolving credit card with a $33 balance.

 

This represented an AG UT of slightly over 0.03% which shows as 1% and was recognized as non zero in my 3B report. Utilization is rounded up to the next highest whole number for Fico presentation (1%) - not to the nearest whole number (0%).

 

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8-6-2016 AT UT%.jpg

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Anonymous
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Re: Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?

Interesting thread. Thanks.

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Anonymous
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Re: Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?

I think you guys may have nailed it with the AU idea.  The account is a joint account; I co-signed on the card for someone else so it is on my report as "joint" even though it is listed as a revolving credit card.  I suppose that has to be the reason.  It does however on CCT and other monitoring services include that $242 balance as well as the $9600 credit limit into my total utilization, so I always figured it was factored into my scoring.  Good to know that going forward I can ignore this account and will just leave a small balance on one of my other revolvers.  I'm glad I figured this out now, as that $242 will be paid off and that card closed within the next few weeks and then I wouldn't have ever known.

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Anonymous
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Re: Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?

I thought it might have been an AU card or a charge card.  Glad we were able to help, pal.

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Anonymous
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Re: Utilization % and rounding? Single account and aggregate?

I do find it interesting that monitoring services like CK, CCT, etc all include dollar amounts (both balances and limits) into their numbers, charts/graphs but FICO 08 scoring doesn't include them.

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