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Which accounts to pay down for score boost?

Hi,

I have a handful of credit card accounts and no other types of credit.   My score is 602 (transunion + equifax, as shown by CreditKarma), and my accounts are as follows, with all payments current:

 

Discover:  $1,528 used out of $1,500

VISA: $20,232 out of $20,000

AMEX: $10,109 out of $10,000
Mastercard:  $282 out of $300

AMEX (Authorized user only): $0 out of $38,500


CLOSED BUT HAS BALANCE:  Bank Personal Line of Credit: $8,497 out of $5,000 used (yes, very much over). 

A few 30-day lates were assessed about a year ago.  Average age of accounts is close to 10 years.  My "Credit Card Utilization" as reported by CreditKarma is 46%

My question is this:   I am expecting a sizeable tax refund, which I want to use to pay down my debts for the purpose of boosting my FICO score as much as possible.   When I use CreditKarma's "Simulate My Score" feature (off of its TransUnion section), it tells me that if I pay down $4,100, my score will go up by 84 points to 686.  The problem is, it doesn't tell me which accounts I should pay down to expect such an impact.  Can you guys please tell me what your recommendation would be (which accounts should I pay down with that $4,100) to get such a boost?   I am assuming that I should make sure that none of the accounts are OTL first, and then use the remaining amounts to pay down as much as I can of the smaller cards FIRST?    For this purpose, does it matter if I pay it down just slightly over the limits, or would you recommend me to be a certain % below the limits?  Meaning is getting an account $2,999 out of $3,000 give me just about the same boost as if it was $2,500 out of $3,000?   (Obviously I understand that the more I pay it down the better, but here I am talking about it in scope of maximum FICO score boost...)

THANKS

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AverageJoesCredit
Legendary Contributor

Re: Which accounts to pay down for score boost?

Being basically maxed or overmaxed on almost all your cards, i personally wouldnt be concerned about score potential but would try to get those puppies at a better percentage so as not to be at 100% or 90%+
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Anonymous
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Re: Which accounts to pay down for score boost?

Hi,

Score boost is what I need right now.

My dilemma right now is... to boost my score, would I be better commiting most of the $4,100 to open accounts to increase the amount of AVAILABLE credit I have, even if it means that my closed LOC account remains thousands of dollars over-limit, or would getting all accounts under OTL, INCLUDING THAT CLOSED LOC account, bring the score up more?
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Chris679
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Re: Which accounts to pay down for score boost?

Need to get a real FICO score. CKs Vantage Score will likely not score the closed account and FICO will. You are not going to see the score improvement you are hoping for.
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thummel
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Re: Which accounts to pay down for score boost?

If it was me I would try to get the smallest ones knocked out first. Discover would be where I would start. Then pay off the 300 dollar limit MasterCard. Unfortunately your score isn't going to see much change unless you get all the accounts that are maxed down. For me even having one card just at 30 percent of more will drop my score some. Yes overall credit plays a role, but so does each cards utilization. Best of luck to you.
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Glkslngr
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Re: Which accounts to pay down for score boost?

I would pay off those two smaller balances first (Discover and MC), then definitely get that AMEX down...its making me cringe, knowing that they really dislike carrying balances. But your main concern should be to not go over your limit and managing UTIL. Those are key factors in determining your scores.
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NRB525
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Re: Which accounts to pay down for score boost?


@Anonymous wrote:

Hi,

I have a handful of credit card accounts and no other types of credit.   My score is 602 (transunion + equifax, as shown by CreditKarma), and my accounts are as follows, with all payments current:

 

Discover:  $1,528 used out of $1,500

VISA: $20,232 out of $20,000

AMEX: $10,109 out of $10,000
Mastercard:  $282 out of $300

AMEX (Authorized user only): $0 out of $38,500


CLOSED BUT HAS BALANCE:  Bank Personal Line of Credit: $8,497 out of $5,000 used (yes, very much over). 

A few 30-day lates were assessed about a year ago.  Average age of accounts is close to 10 years.  My "Credit Card Utilization" as reported by CreditKarma is 46%

My question is this:   I am expecting a sizeable tax refund, which I want to use to pay down my debts for the purpose of boosting my FICO score as much as possible.   When I use CreditKarma's "Simulate My Score" feature (off of its TransUnion section), it tells me that if I pay down $4,100, my score will go up by 84 points to 686.  The problem is, it doesn't tell me which accounts I should pay down to expect such an impact.  Can you guys please tell me what your recommendation would be (which accounts should I pay down with that $4,100) to get such a boost?   I am assuming that I should make sure that none of the accounts are OTL first, and then use the remaining amounts to pay down as much as I can of the smaller cards FIRST?    For this purpose, does it matter if I pay it down just slightly over the limits, or would you recommend me to be a certain % below the limits?  Meaning is getting an account $2,999 out of $3,000 give me just about the same boost as if it was $2,500 out of $3,000?   (Obviously I understand that the more I pay it down the better, but here I am talking about it in scope of maximum FICO score boost...)

THANKS


Your Discover card has a For Reals TU FICO score. What is that on the latest statement?

 

In all this advice, be sure to make the minimum payment, on time, for each account. You probably know this, but everything else you do will be secondary to this primary rule.

 

The first step would be to get each of the open cards down to below 90% of the limit. Now, given where you are with each of the cards, it is possible (though by no means certain) that you will get a CLD on one of the cards. If that is the case, the CLD should be to something more than what you have outstanding. I've been through many CLD steps on multiple cards in the past. As long as you are paying at least the minimum payment on time, there's not a whole lot more the CCC can do, so just hang in there and keep working the balances down.

 

The closed LOC, I would not worry about that vs the limit, it's probably being factored differently ( meaning FICO is likely not strictly following that limit since the account is closed) so you do want to pay it down, but the published limit may not be a factor. If the bank is charging you over-limit fees, that changes the discussion, because there you want to be minimimzing such costs. That may be a reason to pay faster on that account, once the CC are reduced below their limits.

 

Pay the MasterCard to zero, to stop any interest charges on that card. You could then use that card for your daily spend, as long as you are paying it frequently and not carrying any balance.

 

What are the APR on each of the cards and the PLOC?

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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SouthJamaica
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Re: Which accounts to pay down for score boost?


@Anonymous wrote:

Hi,

I have a handful of credit card accounts and no other types of credit.   My score is 602 (transunion + equifax, as shown by CreditKarma), and my accounts are as follows, with all payments current:

 

Discover:  $1,528 used out of $1,500

VISA: $20,232 out of $20,000

AMEX: $10,109 out of $10,000
Mastercard:  $282 out of $300

AMEX (Authorized user only): $0 out of $38,500


CLOSED BUT HAS BALANCE:  Bank Personal Line of Credit: $8,497 out of $5,000 used (yes, very much over). 

A few 30-day lates were assessed about a year ago.  Average age of accounts is close to 10 years.  My "Credit Card Utilization" as reported by CreditKarma is 46%

My question is this:   I am expecting a sizeable tax refund, which I want to use to pay down my debts for the purpose of boosting my FICO score as much as possible.   When I use CreditKarma's "Simulate My Score" feature (off of its TransUnion section), it tells me that if I pay down $4,100, my score will go up by 84 points to 686.  The problem is, it doesn't tell me which accounts I should pay down to expect such an impact.  Can you guys please tell me what your recommendation would be (which accounts should I pay down with that $4,100) to get such a boost?   I am assuming that I should make sure that none of the accounts are OTL first, and then use the remaining amounts to pay down as much as I can of the smaller cards FIRST?    For this purpose, does it matter if I pay it down just slightly over the limits, or would you recommend me to be a certain % below the limits?  Meaning is getting an account $2,999 out of $3,000 give me just about the same boost as if it was $2,500 out of $3,000?   (Obviously I understand that the more I pay it down the better, but here I am talking about it in scope of maximum FICO score boost...)

THANKS


1. Disregard Credit Karma. Its simulator is meaningless. And the Vantage 3.0 scores it provides are functionally useless.

 

2. If you have $4100 to pay, pay it as follows:

 

(a) Discover $1528.00

(b) Mastercard 282.00

(c) Visa             300.00

(d) Amex         1990.00


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Which accounts to pay down for score boost?

NRB525 -  Discover FICO score is 649.   The APR on all but one of the smalelr cards is around 13-14% (+/- 2%).  Sorry that I can't give you more exact #s at the moment, but all very similar, except the Discover or MC may be a bit higher from what I remember (close to 20%?).  

I actually have been maintaining these chronically maxed-out and OTL balances for over 2 years now, and have never got a CLD.

My main goal really is to get as much of CLI as I can.  Long story short, I maxed the cards out undergoing a business takeover.  I stabilized the business and it is now growing.  I expect my income to go up dramatically over the next few years, so the current $ amount of debt won't be the issue.  More importantly than avoiding interest and paying it down is really increasing the amount of available credit and thus my FICO score rising.   The challenge is that I need a boost/CLI increase in the shorter term, before I'm able to pay down most of the debt.  Also, I want to get a business line of credit as soon as possible (another reason for wanting FICO boost).   If I have an OTL closed account (which I do on the LOC), would a business lender / bank look at that and say "hmm, that is really bad.  We will deny your loan"  EVEN if my FICO is in the low-700's and my credit utilization is say 33% or less (and same for CLI requests)?  I know I said $4,100 but that is the minimum I'll be paying down.  It might be as much as $10,000, and I'm really wondering if paying down that closed OTL LOC below its limit would just be a black hole , when I would just be better off paying that money down towards my open accounts....   but if the closed OTL will be a blocker for CLI's and future loans, then it seems that I have to pay that down before anything can happen. What's your take on this?  I hope that makes sense.

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Anonymous
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Re: Which accounts to pay down for score boost?

thummel, SouthJamaica, why do you guys recommend paying down the Discover ($1500) before the MC ($300)?
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