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Scenario -
$10,000 in available credit card credit
One card has a limit of $4000.00
You have a total balance of $3800.00
Is it better to have all of that $3800.00 on the one card or have is spread out between a few cards? Or does it not matter because it's the overall utilization and not just that of one card so the FICO score would be the same either way.
I'd say you're better off with multiple cards at $0 w/ one card with a high balance vs. multiple CCs with a lower balance. Some may counter that $3800 is maxed out and therefore FICO dings you extra. IME, that ding came when it hit 100% but certainly there's no argument that $3800 on a $4k CL does hurt on the util alone.
I believe I read on Credit Karma that over 60% utilization on one card is considered high.
I can't speak to FAKO scoring, but FICO will start to ding you if you have multiple TLs reporting a balance and will ding you if any util is over 10%.
Didn't know that one. I believe for the best score when it comes to utilization, total should be 1-9%. I'm currently on a mission to get my scores close to 700 by the end of the year. I'll have 3 more cards reporting zero balances over the next few weeks. That will just leave 2 with balances. One is used for normal expenses so it's usually in the $900. - $1200. range month ($2500. CL) and one had a $3200. balance ($3700. CL). That one has a 3.99% interest rate until Feb so it is's been last on the card to attach list.
I'm hoping to see a noticeable score bump by having 3 cards goto zero from their previous balances last month ($143. / $700. Cl, $870. / $1200. CL, $1492. / $3000. CL).
@llecs wrote:I can't speak to FAKO scoring, but FICO will start to ding you if you have multiple TLs reporting a balance and will ding you if any util is over 10%.
+1 on both counts
@llecs wrote:I can't speak to FAKO scoring, but FICO will start to ding you if you have multiple TLs reporting a balance and will ding you if any util is over 10%.
What's the reasoning for this? I hear this all over the place but nobody really seems to know why. If I've got 10 cards reporting $0 (or, like some people here, 20 or 30), why is it suddenly bad to have 2 cards reporting a balance, especially if they're both well under 10%?
I guess I just don't see why this increases your risk of default, which is supposedly what FICO is about.
@steve997 wrote:
@llecs wrote:I can't speak to FAKO scoring, but FICO will start to ding you if you have multiple TLs reporting a balance and will ding you if any util is over 10%.
What's the reasoning for this? I hear this all over the place but nobody really seems to know why. If I've got 10 cards reporting $0 (or, like some people here, 20 or 30), why is it suddenly bad to have 2 cards reporting a balance, especially if they're both well under 10%?
I guess I just don't see why this increases your risk of default, which is supposedly what FICO is about.
Think about it in the lender's perspective...if you have an applicant who has multiple CCs charged with some sort of balance, then that'll tell you that the borrower-to-be is 1) actively relying on CCs (or other forms of credit) vs. cash, 2) is juggling CCs vs. using only one or two, and 3) has cash flow issues because they aren't paying off the card (due to a present balance reporting).
Now having a couple of CCs report a balance across several accounts isn't too bad. Your FICO report has a field for # of TLs reporting a balance and once that hits over 50%, then it'll red flag you, though the ding will begin once you add multiple balances; it'll just get much worse when you hit over 50%.
@llecs wrote:I'd say you're better off with multiple cards at $0 w/ one card with a high balance vs. multiple CCs with a lower balance. Some may counter that $3800 is maxed out and therefore FICO dings you extra. IME, that ding came when it hit 100% but certainly there's no argument that $3800 on a $4k CL does hurt on the util alone.
Now having a couple of CCs report a balance across several accounts isn't too bad. Your FICO report has a field for # of TLs reporting a balance and once that hits over 50%, then it'll red flag you, though the ding will begin once you add multiple balances; it'll just get much worse when you hit over 50%.
My ballpark estimate on the utilization percentage from one card reporting a balance vs the percentage of cards reporting a balance is that they translate into roughly the same score change. They are potentially about equally harmful, and when either hits about half, things start to get increasingly worse. You may take it or leave it, but that's my theory (TM).
@steve997 wrote:
@llecs wrote:I can't speak to FAKO scoring, but FICO will start to ding you if you have multiple TLs reporting a balance and will ding you if any util is over 10%.
What's the reasoning for this? I hear this all over the place but nobody really seems to know why. If I've got 10 cards reporting $0 (or, like some people here, 20 or 30), why is it suddenly bad to have 2 cards reporting a balance, especially if they're both well under 10%?
I guess I just don't see why this increases your risk of default, which is supposedly what FICO is about.
The 1-9% cutoff may well stem from some person, who on some day happened to suggest that having a utilization of less than ten percent would help your FICO score. And it does of course. A casual comment using a round number of no particular precision, forgotten as swiftly as it was written. But it was read by many, who needed a guideline for what to do, and before you knew it, the whole thing started snowballing. Books thicker than bricks have been dedicated to this type of human interaction.
@llecs wrote:Think about it in the lender's perspective...if you have an applicant who has multiple CCs charged with some sort of balance, then that'll tell you that the borrower-to-be is 1) actively relying on CCs (or other forms of credit) vs. cash, 2) is juggling CCs vs. using only one or two, and 3) has cash flow issues because they aren't paying off the card (due to a present balance reporting).
And 4) been encouraged to use the cards we get and to pay by the due date!
@llecs wrote:I can't speak to FAKO scoring, but FICO will start to ding you if you have multiple TLs reporting a balance and will ding you if any util is over 10%.
thats one reason I pay close attention to my statement dates and when i use my cards, right now only my capone will be reporting an under 10% utilization