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@madredejames wrote:I recently paid off a loan, with the balance now zero. I am using the MyFICO monitoring service on all three bureaus. I get frequent alerts. Recently, the alerts on 2 bureaus show this loan as paid, zero balance, paid as agreed, but along with each alert my score dropped from the 680s to the 660s. I'm really confused. Why would paying off a loan drop my score?
Pretty simple. Credit mix accounts for 15% of your score. if you don't have any more open installement loans paying off one will drop your score every time. so now you are not getting as many points in the mix as you were before without an open installment loan. If you have another installment loan you did not list it. So i am only going off the information that you mentioned. How about a mortgage? or another auto loan? This is what causes that to change.
@madredejames wrote:Bottom line is still - pay off some kinds of debt, take a score hit. Acquire more of some kinds of debt, get rewarded (at least as cited in some of these scenarios above.) I'm glad to have this kind of message board for explanations, because silly old me would have thought paying off debt was always good for the credit score. I guess that's why I am here.
Does not mean you have to take debt. Thats what they are saying with a secured installment loan. Example. you put $500 in the bank. They loan you the $500 back. They you pay $5 a month for 4 years automatically on the loan. in reality its the same 500 you started with. so you pay a few pennys interest over the course of the loan. some people pay in advance and don't have to pay a cent for years. But the installment loan stays on the report. This is all they are saying if you really are trying to maximize your score. Thats why it is best not to micro manage score as it will drive you bonkers. ups and downs. I say. Get what you need. Use what you need and pay it back. The score will take care of it self.
Having just done the dreadeded installment debt loan payoff ,and having lost around 12 points as a result, does it make sense to open a new "secured" installment loan? I'm trying to get my scores over 740 to get a good mortage rate on a new house next summer. I currently have no installment debt, no mortgage, and almost no revolving so my "mix" is bad. Currnet FICO 8 scores are all three in the 720's.
I have a couple questions and this seems like the appropriate thread.
1) If I deposit $1000 in a bank and then ask for a 5-year secured installment loan against that $1000 do they still run a "hard" credit inquiry since there's no risk?
2) Once I have the LoC I spend the $1000 to get it rolling then after a month pay it down to less than $900
3) Then keep making the minimum payment?
Will this help?
@taxi818 wrote:
It will help. You don't need that much. And it friends in bank. Best results for the loan you are talking. Sdfcu. State department will not do pull on credit. And you only need 500 dollars. YHe 4 years to pay it back. Which means only 125 a yeAr. Key then do auto payment. End of loan you will have 1k in bank plus interest. Roll it over and do it again this keeps installment on your report always. And for sure helps with credit mix on your score. Keeping it high. Just like you stated to get low rate on mortgage. Hope this helps. Good luck. Www.sdfcu.com
Hi there taxi818,
I think you meant to give the website address for State Department Federal Credit Union as www.sdfcu.org, you had the domain as .com rather than .org.
;-)
@Revelate wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:It's not possible with all lenders - each has their own rules on recasting loans. Some the minimum balance to recast is $3k or $5k, some don't recast at all, some require a lumpsum payment of at least 10% of remaining balance.....you just have to call around and ask the questions.
My car loan is with a local credit union - they tend to have the most lax rules when it comes to recasting. Mine just requires a minimum remaining balance of $1k and lump sum payment of at least $1k to recast. So say my balance was $1980, I wouldn't be able to recast the loan, because the balance would be too low to meat their 2 requirements.
That is interesting; how does it report with the bureaus post-recasting?
Refinance would be a new tradeilne typically with most lenders, from your description this is different but the devil is in the details on the report.
I'm not sure what this gets other than for the lenders who refuse to extend more than a X number of payments ahead, though I suppose it is easier to have $15/month on autopayment or whatever rather than reminding oneself through phone alerts every six months or whatever to pay a buck or two as many lenders push the payment date way out into the future from reports here anyway.
Edit: yeah might make an impact on some mortgage apps these days as some lenders certainly aren't excluding installment loans with minimal payments left if you wanted to keep the original tradeline rather than just sorting with a small secured loan.
Appreciate the insight!
It doesn't change anything with bureau reporting except you have a lower payment. Your original loan date, original balance, etc... all stays the same. This allows you to keep the same tradeline, but get a lower payment. This is most impactful for someone who is looking to get a mortgage and wants a lower DTI based on reported minimum payments. Beyond that, I don't see much advantage to recasting v paying ahead.
It may also be helpful for someone trying to get out of debt and increasing cashflow to pay down more debt, but not wanting to close tradelines so they can preserve their score.
I have a private student loan, that automatically recasts every year on it's anniversary - but they will do it mid-year for a lump sum payment of $5k or more. My mortgage will allow me to recast with paying 10% of remaining balance or $5k in a lump sum (which ever is greater - so will be tricky once close to $50k remaining balance). Some big banks require 20%, or a set amount around $15k, some credit unions will do it with payment of 5% of remaining balance.
Part of my financial planning is to continually reduce my minimum payments by lump sum payments and recasting loans - just so that my payments are as low as possible in the event something happens, like injured and can't work, loss of job, etc... It's usually in unexpected emergencies that DTI becomes most important, and is the most dificult thing to fix in an emergency when you actually need a loan.
In 2 years I'll have my mortgage and student loans payed down enough that with recasting my student loan payments will be around $25/mo combined, mortgage around $200/mo and my car payment is around $15/mo. If I were to find myself unemployed, with payments that low, I could get the money to make them by donating plasma each month and still have enough money left over to fill up the tank in my car with gas. The security and peace of mind that comes with that is the main reason I do it.
@taxi818 wrote:
@madredejames wrote:I recently paid off a loan, with the balance now zero. I am using the MyFICO monitoring service on all three bureaus. I get frequent alerts. Recently, the alerts on 2 bureaus show this loan as paid, zero balance, paid as agreed, but along with each alert my score dropped from the 680s to the 660s. I'm really confused. Why would paying off a loan drop my score?
Pretty simple. Credit mix accounts for 15% of your score. if you don't have any more open installement loans paying off one will drop your score every time. so now you are not getting as many points in the mix as you were before without an open installment loan. If you have another installment loan you did not list it. So i am only going off the information that you mentioned. How about a mortgage? or another auto loan? This is what causes that to change.
I tend to think the score drop is not mix related because mix reportedly takes into account closed as well as open accounts that are on file.
I suspect the score drop is associated with no longer having a scoring component in the Outstanding debt category as CGID pointed out in a different thread. This category contributes more strongly to score than does mix. See paste below from "Understanding Fico Scores":
Approximately 30% of a FICO® Score is based on information which evaluates indebtedness. In this category, FICO® Scores take into account:
Approximately 10% of a FICO® Score is based on this information.
FICO® Scores consider your mix of credit cards, retail accounts, installment loans, finance company accounts and mortgage loans. It is not necessary to have one of each, and it is not a good idea to open a credit account you don’t intend to use. In this category a FICO® Score takes into account:
Just to make this perfectly clear to everyone...
The reason you get a $500 share secured loan is to boost your scores and it has been proven to work but I think that some people don't understand the specifics.
1. It has been proven that within a few months of opening the loan that you will pick up about 10 points.
This is the part some people don't understand:
2. Once you have more than 90% of the loan paid off you pick up more points. We are currently testing this but it also seems to be about 10 points. (This is how you gained the 20 points (~10 + ~10) that you lost when you closed your last installment loan.)
That's why we are suggesting to get the $500 share secured loan and then pay off a bit more than 90% of it. You will pick up those extra 10 points and your scores will be boosted for years as long as you don't pay the loan off. If you don't pre-pay the loan you will be waiting for years to get those last 10 points.
And let's make another thing perfectly clear...
As far as most of us on these boards understand, Alliant Federal Credit Union and The State Department Federal Credit Union are the only places where you can open a savings account and take out a share secured loan ALL WITHOUT A HARD PULL. I'm sure there are others out there but I haven't seen anybody confirm that. Most banks and credit unions will do a HP either for opening a savings account or taking out the loan or both.
@jamie123 wrote:Just to make this perfectly clear to everyone...
The reason you get a $500 share secured loan is to boost your scores and it has been proven to work but I think that some people don't understand the specifics.
1. It has been proven that within a few months of opening the loan that you will pick up about 10 points.
This is the part some people don't understand:
2. Once you have more than 90% of the loan paid off you pick up more points. We are currently testing this but it also seems to be about 10 points. (This is how you gained the 20 points (~10 + ~10) that you lost when you closed your last installment loan.)
That's why we are suggesting to get the $500 share secured loan and then pay off a bit more than 90% of it. You will pick up those extra 10 points and your scores will be boosted for years as long as you don't pay the loan off. If you don't pre-pay the loan you will be waiting for years to get those last 10 points.
And let's make another thing perfectly clear...
As far as most of us on these boards understand, Alliant Federal Credit Union and The State Department Federal Credit Union are the only places where you can open a savings account and take out a share secured loan ALL WITHOUT A HARD PULL. I'm sure there are others out there but I haven't seen anybody confirm that. Most banks and credit unions will do a HP either for opening a savings account or taking out the loan or both.
Hi jamie
Some update. Paid off my longest term auto installment so i expect it to report after the first of next month and reflect as much as to my FICO scoring. I am in the process of getting an Alliant Shared Secured before my final installment personal loan meets term in March i think. This will leave the MIX for me down to a single one and only NEW Alliant Secured Loan which after it reports (so to measure it's initial impact) i intend to pay that down leaving around 9% remaining and let it ride out for the duration.
What's your take on the benefit with FICO scoring for me to this plan?
Regarding MIX, will just the new one you think be sufficient enough to prevent any serious free falls like we read about all the time?