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If you extent this philosophy throughout our economy what you are saying is that debt is a positive entity and that more debt is good for those living and working in America. This is preposterous. Our country's massive debt is unsustainable. Our country's financial system will soon collapse under the weight of this debt. FICO encourges debt and this policy is drowning the citizens in debt. The average debt of every man, woman and child in America is $54,000. Total personal debt is $17.5 Trillion. This is unsustainable. I'm sorry Mr Fair and Mr Issac but your system is flawed. The sad thing about it is that this flaw will not be recognized until the collapse of this country's financial system.
@Anonymous wrote:If you extent this philosophy throughout our economy what you are saying is that debt is a positive entity and that more debt is good for those living and working in America. This is preposterous. Our country's massive debt is unsustainable. Our country's financial system will soon collapse under the weight of this debt. FICO encourges debt and this policy is drowning the citizens in debt. The average debt of every man, woman and child in America is $54,000. Total personal debt is $17.5 Trillion. This is unsustainable. I'm sorry Mr Fair and Mr Issac but your system is flawed. The sad thing about it is that this flaw will not be recognized until the collapse of this country's financial system.
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@Anonymous wrote:If you extent this philosophy throughout our economy what you are saying is that debt is a positive entity and that more debt is good for those living and working in America. This is preposterous. Our country's massive debt is unsustainable. Our country's financial system will soon collapse under the weight of this debt. FICO encourges debt and this policy is drowning the citizens in debt. The average debt of every man, woman and child in America is $54,000. Total personal debt is $17.5 Trillion. This is unsustainable. I'm sorry Mr Fair and Mr Issac but your system is flawed. The sad thing about it is that this flaw will not be recognized until the collapse of this country's financial system.
I disagree. FICO doesn't "encourage debt" nor does it suggest that "more debt is good" as you put it. You can have a 800-850 score and have no debt at all. There are plenty of people on this forum that may use a ton of credit cards but PIF every month and as a result have great credit scores to show for it. That's not debt. The category of utilization for example deducts points for increased debt and increases points when debt is paid down which is completely converse to your argument.
@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:If you extent this philosophy throughout our economy what you are saying is that debt is a positive entity and that more debt is good for those living and working in America. This is preposterous. Our country's massive debt is unsustainable. Our country's financial system will soon collapse under the weight of this debt. FICO encourges debt and this policy is drowning the citizens in debt. The average debt of every man, woman and child in America is $54,000. Total personal debt is $17.5 Trillion. This is unsustainable. I'm sorry Mr Fair and Mr Issac but your system is flawed. The sad thing about it is that this flaw will not be recognized until the collapse of this country's financial system.
I disagree. FICO doesn't "encourage debt" nor does it suggest that "more debt is good" as you put it. You can have a 800-850 score and have no debt at all. There are plenty of people on this forum that may use a ton of credit cards but PIF every month and as a result have great credit scores to show for it. That's not debt. The category of utilization for example deducts points for increased debt and increases points when debt is paid down which is completely converse to your argument.
I beg to differ. If you borrow money from someone and are obligated to pay it back, that's "debt"
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@RM21 wrote:
Yes the Fico scoring can be strange at times. But I think you still do what is best for you, before doing something else.
Unfortunately, the way our society is set up, one of the things we do need to do is pay attention to our FICO score. You never know when it's going to rear its head.... it's not just credit cards, auto loans, and mortgages. It also comes up when renting an apartment, cosigning on a lease, taking out car insurance, getting a cell phone, etc.
So I find it hard to distinguish what's best for me, and what's best for my FICO score, because the fact is that one of the things that is best for me is having a good FICO score.
It's unfortunate, even foolish, that the FICO algorithm will ding you for having all your credit cards paid down to zero, and hammer you if you've paid off all your installment loans and have none open. But I'm glad that I learned about it.
Your story of the 2 men and their overdue accounts is a perfect example to illustrate that there is dysfunctions and bias in the seriously flawed system. Their IT program only knows the difference between day and night. Nothing else matters and that is intentional. Any justification of late payments does not even include death. And every citizen is subjected to this irrational review. Only in America can something like this happen.
@Anonymous wrote:Your story of the 2 men and their overdue accounts is a perfect example to illustrate that there is dysfunctions and bias in the seriously flawed system. Their IT program only knows the difference between day and night. Nothing else matters and that is intentional. Any justification of late payments does not even include death. And every citizen is subjected to this irrational review. Only in America can something like this happen.
Not true.
P.S. I believe Experian is a British company.
ws237,
I agree with you completely. In my experience, FICO is capricious, arbitrary and inscrutable. Its like the issuance of credit in this country is based upon the readings of an ouija board. My score goes up and down for reasons that are unexplained and unrelated to my credit report. For example, today my FICO score on TU went from 788 to 800 without any quantifiable difference in my risk as a borrower, and without any known difference in my credit report (I pulled my credit report yesterday and today and they are indistinguishable). Whats sort of hypocritical is that both the 12 point jump and a three point drop a few day ago are accompanied by the exact same explanatory language. I am starting to think FICO is more like a mysterious video game that's just waiting to be played. If I recall correctly, the MyFico website states that 90% of all lenders in this country use FICO scores in granting credit. If that's true, what's really sad is that millions of people are paying interest rates that do not match the risk of lending to them. Maybe banks don't care if its a flawed system because they are making tons of money with it by charging more than the risk warrants - I just don't know.
@SouthJamaica wrote:I beg to differ. If you borrow money from someone and are obligated to pay it back, that's "debt"
In the truest sense of the word, sure... but you and I both know that it's not real "debt" if you immediately pay it back, ie essentially using credit cards the exact way one uses debit cards, just adding 1 more step in the process to flow those dollars through the card. In this example there is no "real" debt yet someone can achieve a phenomenal credit score acting in this method. And many do.