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jafish
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Just a quick question that I'm hoping someone can help me with. I have been working for the last 6 months on rebuilding my credit after a bankruptcy and foreclosure. I got a few credit cards, and started using and paying them off, and my scores began to rise. A couple months or so ago I had a situation where I had to max them all out and let them go past the reporting dates (not late, but not paid off in one month). Of course, my scores dropped. Then I  started paying them off again. I got 3 of the 4 completely paid to zero, and my scores jumped. When I paid off the last one, my scores dropped again and myFICO stated in an alert that the changes happened because the last card was paid to zero. Why would paying that off cause my score to drop? I went from having 25% of my total available credit being used to 0% used. Should I keep some balance on my cards from month to month? This happened with all three of the reporting companines.

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tufa4311
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Re: score drop


@jafish wrote:

Just a quick question that I'm hoping someone can help me with. I have been working for the last 6 months on rebuilding my credit after a bankruptcy and foreclosure. I got a few credit cards, and started using and paying them off, and my scores began to rise. A couple months or so ago I had a situation where I had to max them all out and let them go past the reporting dates (not late, but not paid off in one month). Of course, my scores dropped. Then I  started paying them off again. I got 3 of the 4 completely paid to zero, and my scores jumped. When I paid off the last one, my scores dropped again and myFICO stated in an alert that the changes happened because the last card was paid to zero. Why would paying that off cause my score to drop? I went from having 25% of my total available credit being used to 0% used. Should I keep some balance on my cards from month to month? This happened with all three of the reporting companines.


What you are dealing with here is Utilization (UTIL). UTIL is the percentage of your available credit you are using. There is overall UTIL and individual UTIL. Overall deals with all your cards' available credit and how much of that you are using, individual deals with each individual cards' available credit being used. UTIL is a very important aspects of the credit mix and while everyone knows that you should not use too much credit, not many people know that they should also not use none of thier credit.

 

You want to keep your UTIL reporting monthly from 1-9% on only one card. Going over 9% can hurt your score and having overall 0% reporting will also hurt your score. Without getting too deep into it - you need to show that you can use credit responsibly; if you have 0% UTIL then you are not using credit thus you are not providing evidence that you can use it responsibly (or, as some others believe, the thing is a scam and is just meant to make us spend more credit). Either way, if you want a higher score you need to play ball.

 

Prior to your reporting dates pay off all of your revolving accounts (credit cards) down to 0% except one of them, for that one ensure it is between 1-9% UTIL. After that has reported then pay that last one down also to 0% before the due date thus you will not accrue any interest. Next month rinse and repeat.

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jafish
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Ok, fair enough. Thank you for the explanation. How do I find out a card's reporting date? I have 2 cards from Capital One and one from Barclay (and one from Fingerhut, but I don't really plan on using that one; it simply increases my total available credit). Should I rotate between the Capital One and Barclay cards each month, or just pick one and use it and pay it off each month?
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jafish
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Also, should I use 1-9% of the individual UTIL or the total UTIL?
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takeshi74
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@jafish wrote:

I have been working for the last 6 months on rebuilding my credit after a bankruptcy and foreclosure.


Managing revolving utilization can help but these are going to be bigger problems.  Nothing you can do about the BK but wait it out.  I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about the foreclosure.  Take a look in the Rebuilding subforum.

 


@jafish wrote:

When I paid off the last one, my scores dropped again and myFICO stated in an alert that the changes happened because the last card was paid to zero. Why would paying that off cause my score to drop?


That's expected.  Standard advice is do not exceed 30%.  Lower is generally better as long as you're not allowing all 0 balances to report as there is a hit for that.  To eke out every possible point (i.e. when applying for new credit) allow one balance to report at 10% or less.  Both overall and individual revolving utilization matter.

 


@jafish wrote:

Should I keep some balance on my cards from month to month?


You want a balance to report.  However, you do not need to carry a balance for scoring purposes.

 


@jafish wrote:

A couple months or so ago I had a situation where I had to max them all out and let them go past the reporting dates (not late, but not paid off in one month). 


That's two different things.  If you have a balance on report date then you'll have a balance reporting.  Not paying the statement balance in full by its due date is carrying a balance.

 


@jafish wrote:
How do I find out a card's reporting date?

Most cards report on statement date.  You can call your creditors to confirm the report dates.  You can also look at your reports.  Unless there was a midcycle update the last report date should be the report date.

 


@jafish wrote:
Should I rotate between the Capital One and Barclay cards each month, or just pick one and use it and pay it off each month?

Doesn't really matter for scores but you may want to ensure that your cards meet their respective creditor's requirements to avoid closure due to minimum activity.  Again, confirm with each of your creditors.

 


@tufa4311 wrote:

You want to keep your UTIL reporting monthly from 1-9% on only one card. Going over 9% can hurt your score and having overall 0% reporting will also hurt your score.


This is not necessary except when applying for credit though there are many that choose to do this all the time.  While having higher utilization will have an impact on scores one generally doesn't need to worry about it aside from keeping it under 30%.

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jafish
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Re: score drop

Thank you for the in-depth answer, takeshi74. I'm learning. As for the bankruptcy/foreclosure (same incident), I understand that time is all that heals those. I was really just giving a short background.
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