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dledo
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still dont understand?!?!?!

How is it I close an account, with 0 balance and score drops 8 points.  Now I know some will say about mix, uti etc.....I have 2 NFCU cards with 10k limit, QS card with 2300 limit and a merrick back card with 1200 limit.  my uti is 9 percent total.  Have an open auto loan with Ford motor credit so and also a walmar and khols card so my mix is pretty good as well as my uti.  So why is my score dropping.  Im sure there is some wacky formula but just feels wrong to think your doing well and scores drop...just my vent for the day

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JcT21
Frequent Contributor

Re: still dont understand?!?!?!

even if the card had a 0 balance on it when its closed, it does lower your utilization and that could lower your score.   also it might have lowered  your average age of accounts.   was the card an older card you have had for a while?   i could be wrong but im guessing its utilization and an average age of accounts issue.

 

 

fico scores - August 2024:
TU - 733| EX - 737 | EQ - 730 |
TCL - 174K - UTIL - less than 1%
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MarineVietVet
Moderator Emeritus

Re: still dont understand?!?!?!


@dledo wrote:

How is it I close an account, with 0 balance and score drops 8 points.  Now I know some will say about mix, uti etc.....I have 2 NFCU cards with 10k limit, QS card with 2300 limit and a merrick back card with 1200 limit.  my uti is 9 percent total.  Have an open auto loan with Ford motor credit so and also a walmar and khols card so my mix is pretty good as well as my uti.  So why is my score dropping.  Im sure there is some wacky formula but just feels wrong to think your doing well and scores drop...just my vent for the day


The score drop might not even be caused by the closed account. Something else might have changed in your reports.

 

Closing a CC account won't affect your AAoA; at least not for awhile. The closed account will continue to report for generally 10 years after closing which helps your AAoA for that time.

 

The drop though could be caused by higher utilization. Closing the account means you lose whatever credit limit you had on that particular card and if carrying balances on other cards that will raise your overall utilization.

 

For example if you had total CL's of $10,000 and total balances of $5,000 before closing this account the overall utilization would be 50% ($5,000/$10,000).

 

If the closed account had a CL of say $1,000 that would drop your available credit to $9,000 but the total balances would remain at $5,000. That would result in an increase of overall utilization to about 56% ($5,000/$9,000).

 

So I would look at utilization closely as one possible cause of the score drop.

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dledo
New Contributor

Re: still dont understand?!?!?!

it was a relatively new card


@MarineVietVet wrote:

@dledo wrote:

How is it I close an account, with 0 balance and score drops 8 points.  Now I know some will say about mix, uti etc.....I have 2 NFCU cards with 10k limit, QS card with 2300 limit and a merrick back card with 1200 limit.  my uti is 9 percent total.  Have an open auto loan with Ford motor credit so and also a walmar and khols card so my mix is pretty good as well as my uti.  So why is my score dropping.  Im sure there is some wacky formula but just feels wrong to think your doing well and scores drop...just my vent for the day


The score drop might not even be caused by the closed account. Something else might have changed in your reports.

 

Closing a CC account won't affect your AAoA; at least not for awhile. The closed account will continue to report for generally 10 years after closing which helps your AAoA for that time.

 

The drop though could be caused by higher utilization. Closing the account means you lose whatever credit limit you had on that particular card and if carrying balances on other cards that will raise your overall utilization.

 

For example if you had total CL's of $10,000 and total balances of $5,000 before closing this account the overall utilization would be 50% ($5,000/$10,000).

 

If the closed account had a CL of say $1,000 that would drop your available credit to $9,000 but the total balances would remain at $5,000. That would result in an increase of overall utilization to about 56% ($5,000/$9,000).

 

So I would look at utilization closely as one possible cause of the score drop.



 that went from 8 dollar ballance to 0 and paid/closed account

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MarineVietVet
Moderator Emeritus

Re: still dont understand?!?!?!


@dledo wrote:

it was a relatively new card


@MarineVietVet wrote:

@dledo wrote:

How is it I close an account, with 0 balance and score drops 8 points.  Now I know some will say about mix, uti etc.....I have 2 NFCU cards with 10k limit, QS card with 2300 limit and a merrick back card with 1200 limit.  my uti is 9 percent total.  Have an open auto loan with Ford motor credit so and also a walmar and khols card so my mix is pretty good as well as my uti.  So why is my score dropping.  Im sure there is some wacky formula but just feels wrong to think your doing well and scores drop...just my vent for the day


The score drop might not even be caused by the closed account. Something else might have changed in your reports.

 

Closing a CC account won't affect your AAoA; at least not for awhile. The closed account will continue to report for generally 10 years after closing which helps your AAoA for that time.

 

The drop though could be caused by higher utilization. Closing the account means you lose whatever credit limit you had on that particular card and if carrying balances on other cards that will raise your overall utilization.

 

For example if you had total CL's of $10,000 and total balances of $5,000 before closing this account the overall utilization would be 50% ($5,000/$10,000).

 

If the closed account had a CL of say $1,000 that would drop your available credit to $9,000 but the total balances would remain at $5,000. That would result in an increase of overall utilization to about 56% ($5,000/$9,000).

 

So I would look at utilization closely as one possible cause of the score drop.



 that went from 8 dollar ballance to 0 and paid/closed account


What were your total credit limits and balances before and after the account was closed?

 

To see if higher utilization might be the culprit.

 

Like I said before though the drop in score may not be related at all to the closed account.

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: still dont understand?!?!?!

OP, what are your MyFICO scores? What were they 6 months and a year ago?

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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dledo
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Re: still dont understand?!?!?!

Hey NRB my scoures were mid to 500's 6 months ago now all are mid to high 600's.  As far as the UTI goes, i would not think an 8 dollar drop with do anything as far as UTI goes having 26k credit limit with a 9 percent uti total

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Anonymous
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Re: still dont understand?!?!?!

OP, I guess what the other posters are trying to determine is what was your util ratio before you closed the account to compare to the 9% util ratio after it was reported closed.

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: still dont understand?!?!?!


@dledo wrote:

Hey NRB my scoures were mid to 500's 6 months ago now all are mid to high 600's.  As far as the UTI goes, i would not think an 8 dollar drop with do anything as far as UTI goes having 26k credit limit with a 9 percent uti total


First, congratulations on the ~100 point improvement in 6 months. That is a large increase, no doubt the result of clearing up some or several baddies on your file.

 

And as a result, my next suggestion is going to be that your FICO score is still trying to digest all those changes. You've had a massive rapid increase, and now the score is just working through some more noise calculations as it gets used to the new profile.

 

The direction is up, and that is the main thing. With more time, your score will resume the increases.

 

Good luck!

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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