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Hello all
I just found out that my two utility accounts which I signed up for in March of this year are reporting on the Credit report
one for electric & the second one is for gas - I live in CT
now in theory I have no issues with either, since I pay my bill ontime, but is that now affective my average age of accounts since
two new ones with March dates, and giving that they wil always show a balance, how will that affect the score as well
whats really upsetting is that they mentioned nothing about it when i signed up ( i should also note that there are no hard inquiries on the all three CRs
thanks for the insight
BK7 Discharge: October 2004 Starting Score: 590 March 2018 EQ & EX & TU FICO Score: 846 & 847 & 850
Goal Score: 800+ across the board | Goals Hit: 3 Active Cards: 2
Gardening Since: October 2015 Garden Goal: Oct 2018
Wish List: | None
any similar experience - should i try and get it removed??
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BK7 Discharge: October 2004 Starting Score: 590 March 2018 EQ & EX & TU FICO Score: 846 & 847 & 850
Goal Score: 800+ across the board | Goals Hit: 3 Active Cards: 2
Gardening Since: October 2015 Garden Goal: Oct 2018
Wish List: | None
Very weird. I'd give them a call and ask why they're reporting, and if they can please stop.
I'd also like to hear from the pros here how something like affects your score.
It's not a CC,.so how can it factor into your AAoA. It's also not a loan or mortgage so how does FICO rate it?
I called them both and they stated that they are credit companies so they report the account
The lady could not answer any of my questions - I am assuming that it will have no impact on debit utilization since they dont extend credit lines.
but what worries me whether or not I will take a hit to the AAOA as a result of that, and since they will always report a balance - would that also affect that whole concept of paying everything and letting one card report a balance
any experienced members in this matter can chime in with me and ficonightmare please
BK7 Discharge: October 2004 Starting Score: 590 March 2018 EQ & EX & TU FICO Score: 846 & 847 & 850
Goal Score: 800+ across the board | Goals Hit: 3 Active Cards: 2
Gardening Since: October 2015 Garden Goal: Oct 2018
Wish List: | None
Big question is how are they reporting explicitly?
Are they lumped in with the revolving accounts with a term of one month? If so, they're probably effectively identical to an Amex charge card from a FICO perspective: it'll likely count in the number of cards with balances so you're right it will need to be considered for number of cards with balances.
If they aren't, then it could be something different.
There was a big push to put non-standard accounts on credit reports for some good reasons (to try to help the legions of the un/underbanked consumers), but as you intimate there's some downsides too.
I'd hope there'd be some way to exclude them from the algorithm, but it's hard to say when that would have been put in place if at all for the non-traditional history. I hope my utility bills don't suddenly start reporting as new tradelines, if they want to add the full monty 9 years I've been on the single account, well that might be a different story in my case at least.
Revelate
Thank you for your input
I have USAA credit monitoring so I just checked -
they are not reporting to all three agencies, one is reporting to one agency while the second one is reporting to two agencies
but the classifications are odd
one states open account - one term month & utility under the comment section
second one states utility under account type & one term month at the bottom
any thoughts
BK7 Discharge: October 2004 Starting Score: 590 March 2018 EQ & EX & TU FICO Score: 846 & 847 & 850
Goal Score: 800+ across the board | Goals Hit: 3 Active Cards: 2
Gardening Since: October 2015 Garden Goal: Oct 2018
Wish List: | None
That's interesting.
I would pull from the bureaus directly: if it's not listed as revolving then I don't think you have to worry about the balances issue. I've never seen the utility classification previously, it's presumably new from the goal of getting non-traditional tradelines on the report... but I suspect that means the traditional FICO algorithm may unilaterally ignore them... or it might factor into AAOA unfortunately, it's just too hard to know without some clarification or anecdotal calculations using Scorewatch most likely.
On second thought, I'd probably get my Equifax report directly if any report to there, since Equifax does both a classification of debt, and also an AAOA calculation (note it might not quite be the same FICO does if FICO ignores certain tradelines, I don't know on that but it's as good as you can get really without asking FICO directly), and you can do the AAOA math yourself to see if it's included or not. That probably solves both issues, and ultimately it's what the bureaus have which counts... 3rd party monitoring can always have translation errors.
Thank you Revelate
I am fairly convinced that they dont count
My summary of accounts on one of the reports states 13 revolving, 4 installment for a total of 17 accounts
when I look at the report details, I can account for all 17 (so in theory Utility account is number 18)
BK7 Discharge: October 2004 Starting Score: 590 March 2018 EQ & EX & TU FICO Score: 846 & 847 & 850
Goal Score: 800+ across the board | Goals Hit: 3 Active Cards: 2
Gardening Since: October 2015 Garden Goal: Oct 2018
Wish List: | None
I would just pull the reports from all the bureaus they're reporting to, and like Reverate said, just check my AAoA. If it's changed (lowered), then you know it's being factored in.
I wouldn't count anything, seeing if your AAofA changed is the easiest way to tell.
eta: This is provided you knew what your AAoA was before they started reporting.
pokerpro---I have experience with my electric utility reporting to 1 credit bureau, it was about 7 years ago (we moved) and as I recall it reported the history and on time/late payments. I recall investigating it and finding it had no effect on utilization but it was a tradeline. There wasn't a downside for me so I just let it go--no harm no foul.