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MY SCORE HAS GONE FROM 805 T0 756.

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FicoMike0
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Re: FICO IS BS!!

@Patient957 

Thanks. I was carefull to pay it just under 9%, to $188. I have read that penfed sometimes forgives the loan when the balance drops below $50 or so. That's fine if there's only two months left, not if there's two years, lol. of course, the balance slowly increases toward 9+%. My management effort is to remember to pay $2, around new years and again near summer solstice every year. This also creates a little account activity.

 

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TB
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To Varsity_Lu and anyone else that replies to my opinion about how the FICO scoring is applied. I appreciate the information that you think you know. And unless you actually are a FICO employee or worker, how could you possibly know for sure what you are stating as to how FICO works. My reply wasn't an attitude as you say! It was just fact! I still maintain what I said when I first started this post. The FICO scoring should be on two things only. One, if you always pay on time. And two, if you never default. That's it. The system just wants to make money off of the ridiculous amount of money they charge for interest. 

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Varsity_Lu
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@TB 

 

Well, good luck on your journey.

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JoeRockhead
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Re: FICO IS BS!!


@TB wrote:

To Varsity_Lu and anyone else that replies to my opinion about how the FICO scoring is applied. I appreciate the information that you think you know. And unless you actually are a FICO employee or worker, how could you possibly know for sure what you are stating as to how FICO works. My reply wasn't an attitude as you say! It was just fact! I still maintain what I said when I first started this post. The FICO scoring should be on two things only. One, if you always pay on time. And two, if you never default. That's it. The system just wants to make money off of the ridiculous amount of money they charge for interest. 


Fico doesn't make money off whether someone is paying interest or not.  They make money off lenders by assessing the risk of default by potential borrowers. 

 

Never being late on a payment would be the same as never defaulting, no?  However, even though someone has had a long history of on time payments, that's only one part of the equation.  If that same person starts carrying large balances, statistics, and historical data points show they also have an increased likelihood of defaulting in the future.  So, the more someone's reported utilization goes up, the more their scores will go down. 

 

For example, take someone that has a perfect payment history, maybe always pays in full to avoid paying interest, but gets a shiny new card with a $20k limit and 0% for 21 months so they decide to... go on a dream vacation that costs $15k.  That puts them at 75% utilization on that card. What this does is:

 

  • Gets them a score penalty for the utilization on that card that is near what's considered maxed out.
  • Gets them a penalty for highest individual card utilization. 
  • Depending on total available credit, may also push them above known aggregate utilization thresholds that draws more scoring penalties. 

The two biggest factors of your score are payment history, and utilization.  While it's great to have an impeccable payment history, it's also important to always have low reported utilization (interest free or not).  Reported revolving utilization is also something that doesn't have a memory (unlike late payments) so while someone might get dinged for having a higher reported balance, it's also something that's easily manipulated by paying balances down. As balances go down, scores go back up. 

 

Is it a system without flaws, no.  Is a system that is always fair to everyone and every situation, also no.  But, it is a system that... as a whole, has done a good enough job at assessing risk for such a long time that lenders overwhelmingly still rely on it when it comes to making lending decisions. 

 

While no one here has the exact secret sauce recipe, there is a plethora of information and data points that prove to be facts about many aspects that affect Fico scoring. These are all things that aren't conjecture, or things people think they know.  They're well documented facts based on 10s of thousands of data points within this forum alone.  You can't change the way Fico scores things, but you can educate yourself to a great degree on how things work based on what countless people have contributed here.

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Patient957
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@TB wrote:

To Varsity_Lu and anyone else that replies to my opinion about how the FICO scoring is applied. I appreciate the information that you think you know. 


Yes, of course you do.

 

 And unless you actually are a FICO employee or worker, how could you possibly know for sure what you are stating as to how FICO works.  


Empiricism and inductive reasoning.  Look them up; you might learn something.

 

 I still maintain what I said when I first started this post. 


Yes, of course you do.

 

 The FICO scoring should be on two things only. One, if you always pay on time. And two, if you never default. That's it.


Wait, I thought it was only one thing, and now you're saying it's two.  You're kind of wishy washy about all this.  

 

The system just wants to make money off of the ridiculous amount of money they charge for interest. 


The man is keeping us down.

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Horseshoez
Senior Contributor

Re: FICO IS BS!!


@TB wrote:

My reply wasn't an attitude as you say! It was just fact!


Apparently you are confusing your nouns;  absoultely nothing you've written is "fact", what it is, is "opinion", and your opinions, while important to you, are easily dismissed as pure conjecture and fantasy by the rest of us.

 

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Anonymous
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Re: FICO IS BS!!


@TB wrote:

THE WAY FICO IS DETERMINED IS BS!! I ALWAYS PAY ON TIME AND NEVER MISS A PAYMENT. I NEVER PAY INTEREST. AND YET MY SCORE HAS GONE FROM 805 T0 756.


Post your data points and many number geeks (cough @Thomas_Thumb) people here can walk you through what happened with a very high degree of accuracy.

 


@TB wrote:

Please explain to me exactly how FICO works and what FICO is?


Besides being ***** how do you think it works? I mean the actual equations and algorithms.

 


@TB wrote:

I still maintain what I said when I first started this post. If a person pays on time, all the time, there should be no other factors.


You didn't really state that in your first post.

 


@TB wrote:

The system for credit wants people to pay interest so they can make money! That's all it is. That's why FICO measures a person's credit score the way they currently do. 


Hmm, well, simpistically perhaps, kind of.

 

"A business is an organization that engages in commercial activities, typically involving the production or sale of goods and services for profit."

 

I provide services/products in my business and I expect to turn a net profit. Either that or I go out of business.

 


@TB wrote:

.. anyone .. that replies to my opinion about how the FICO scoring is applied. I appreciate the information that you think you know. .. I still maintain what I said when I first started this post.


All you really said in your first post is "THE WAY FICO IS DETERMINED IS *****!!" and that your score was 805 and for a yet explained reason is now 756.

 

Is there something about 805 that does more for you than 756 ?

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TB
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Hello Joe. Yeah, I realized after I sent the last reply. "Never being late on a payment would be the same as never defaulting, no? " But I still maintain what I said. As long as a person always pays on time without missing a payment, their FICO score should remain higher than 800 or even a perfect 850 until they miss a payment. I don't think that just because historical data/facts points towards other individuals all of a sudden racking up more debt etc. should impact the ones that always payb on time even if they all of a sudden show accelerated account openings. Each individual's  score should be determined on their merit of not defaulting. Not on everyone else's. 

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TB
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Don't reply any longer to my post.

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TB
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To ALL reply your criticizing comments. Good for you! Instead of just replying about the original post I posted, now there ar several of you that have to attack me personally. It's funny when people who think that they are so smart, that can't come up with an answer, that they have to attack and degrade someone on public posts like these. 

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