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MY SCORE HAS GONE FROM 805 T0 756.

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MY SCORE HAS GONE FROM 805 T0 756.

THE WAY FICO IS DETERMINED IS *****!! I ALWAYS PAY ON TIME AND NEVER MISS A PAYMENT. I NEVER PAY INTEREST. AND YET MY SCORE HAS GONE FROM 805 T0 756.

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Patient957
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@TB wrote:

THE WAY FICO IS DETERMINED IS *****!! I ALWAYS PAY ON TIME AND NEVER MISS A PAYMENT. I NEVER PAY INTEREST. AND YET MY SCORE HAS GONE FROM 805 T0 756.


Payment history comprises only 35% of your FICO score.  The other 65% is based on other factors.  

 

30% of your FICO score is based on amounts owed, which includes revolving utilization.  In certain cases, it's possible to pay your statement balances each month but still have high utilization.

 

Theres also a thing we call the "all zeros penalty" when all your credit cards report a zero balance at the same time.  It costs about 20-30 points, I think.

 

You may not like the way FICO scoring works but nobody really cares whether you like it or not, and it is what it is.  Okay, maybe @FICOdawg cares.  You two can get together and complain to each other.  That should be fun.

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@Patient957 wrote: That should be fun.
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Varsity_Lu
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@TB 

 

You need a paradigm shift. What you think FICO is and what FICO actually is are not the same thing. FICO isn't changing anytime soon, so your only option is to change the way you think about it. 

 

It does not measure how good you are with money.

 

It does not measure your wealth.

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TB
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OK Varsity_Lu. Explain it to me please!? All I see in your reply is what you say it doesn't do! Please explain to me exactly how FICO works and what FICO is?

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TB
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Re: MY SCORE HAS GONE FROM 805 T0 756.

Hello Patient957. I still maintain what I said when I first started this post. If a person pays on time, all the time, there should be no other factors. The system for credit wants people to pay interest so they can make money! That's all it is. That's why FICO measures a person's credit score the way they currently do. 

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Varsity_Lu
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@TB 

 

Well, first off, please drop the attitude. MF is a place to grow, learn, and help. Your first ever post here is a complaint written in all caps followed by a reply to me rife with attitude. Go to reddit if you want to take that approach.

 

But, if you want to actually learn and not just beach, then you will find a place here at MF. @Patient957 has already given you a lot of great things to think about. Be willing to learn and change.

 

Now, as to your question. FICO measures your ability to handle debt. That's it. Nothing more. By your own admission in your first post, you don't have any credit card debt and you don't pay any interest. It's really that simple.  I had no credit cards and no loans for many, many years. I owned my home outright and had $70k in the bank to add  an addition. Lowe's (Synchrony of all banks!) denied me a small credit line because I was unscorable.  Let that sink in. Me, a guy who had done everything the right way for 25+ years and had cash in hand couldn't get a stinking Synchrony card. It's because I had no debt and they didn't know how I would handle it. I was a risk which means a low score.

 

Think about this: you have three credit cards and you pay them all off each month: you get penalized for all accounts reporting zero balance. You put $3000 on one and let it go a month: your score goes up.  You pay off a car loan in full: your score goes down. You get another car loan: your score goes back up. Someone with a mortgage and a car loan will almost always score higher than me because I don't have that debt on my report. It's a measure of debt, not wealth. If you want a higher score, you have to have debt AND manage it well.

 

I get that you are frustrated.  You seem to have the right approach in terms of managing your credit cards and that is probably the biggest obstacle to financial health. My advice is this: manage your finances in a responsible way while still learning how to manipulate things FICOwise in your favor. AZEO is a great place to start. Learn about the score penalties for new accounts, inquiries, more than half reporting, all zero, etc.  My score went from unscorable to over 800 in about 2 years once I learned how the system really works. Instead of being frustrated, learn and grow.

 

By the way, welcome to the MF forum! I hope it helps you as much as it has helped a lot of us!

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Patient957
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@TB wrote:

I still maintain what I said when I first started this post.


Of course you do, because it's easier to just draw a line in the sand than it is to learn about how credit scoring models actually work and why. 

 

If a person pays on time, all the time, there should be no other factors.  


No credit scoring models work that way.  There are good reasons why they consider other factors.  A person with high utilization and a lot of debt is much more likely to default than a person with low utilization and very little debt, even if both have always paid on time.

 

 The system for credit wants people to pay interest so they can make money! That's all it is. That's why FICO measures a person's credit score the way they currently do. 


I have paid exactly zero credit card interest in the last 8 years and my Fico 8s are all in the 800s.  Many other people on these boards pay zero interest and are at or near 850.

 

Maybe you should make the effort to learn the actual reason(s) why your score dropped from 805 to 756.  Here's a hint: It has nothing to do with not paying interest.

 

 

 

 

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FicoMike0
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@TB 

Sorry for your frustration. 49 points is a big drop, but 756 is still a respectable score.

If you just want to rant, go ahead, you certainly aren't the first. It's totally ok.

If you want to figure out what happened, there are wizards here that really can help.

You make a lot of comments on how fico scores should be. That's like how gravity should work. There's no should to it. It just is what it is. Sure, there are things that don't seem to reduce our credit worthiness that reduce our score. Most of us here avoid those things. There are things that don't seem to improve our credit worthiness that increase our scores. We do those things and laugh when our scores increase. I picked up 30-40 points with a fake loan that costs $4 a year. I make sure all my accounts never report zero balance at the same time. That would be a 20-25 point penalty.

 

 

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Patient957
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@FicoMike0 wrote:

 There are things that don't seem to improve our credit worthiness that increase our scores. We do those things and laugh when our scores increase. I picked up 30-40 points with a fake loan that costs $4 a year. 


 

The fact that you can and do manage said fake loan over months and years is evidence of creditworthiness.

 

I agree it's a credit hack, and we probably get more points than we deserve out of it, but it demonstrates more creditworthiness than someone with no loan and no months and years of payments or, otoh, someone with many loans who's drowning in debt.

 

 

 

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