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FICO Score Stuck at 600

Something is very wrong with my FICO score. I had a BK discharged a bit over 2 years ago. At that time after discharge, my score was around 575. There were all kinds of mistaken items on my credit report, including open collections, open suits, etc. I have had all of this removed and cleaned up. All items unpaid at the time of the BK are labeled as "included in BK.", which I assume is appropriate. I have managed to obtain some credit since, and all is in good standing, including a Lexus car lease. I have had one or two late payments, just by accident, in the two years. I cannot get my score over 600, and some bureaus are even lower than that. I have studied these forums, and many at my point in the game have scores of 650 or higher (some as high as 700). The fact that my score is just not increasing at all is very suspicious to me. At some point, one would think that my current good credit would impact on my score. I truly feel something is very wrong, but am at a total loss as to what it is, or what to do about it. If anyone has advice, I'd be forever grateful. It is excruciatingly difficult to get credit with this score. I have a very high end job, and need to travel and entertain, very hard to do with "baby" credit cards. I am not comfortable just waiting and hoping it changes someday, and given how much better others in a similar position are doing, I feel there must be a problem somewhere that I don't recognize. There is a forum saying that "included in BK" can hurt you, but what would be the alternative, and why should it hurt; the BK is a fact, I'm not disputing it. I have 6 credit cards reporting, some paid in full monthly but used, others carrying a balance, and a car lease. I do show one 30 day late on my daughter's car lease that I co-signed (prior to BK), I had no way to know she paid late, but cannot do anything about it, I've tried. This should not tank my score, however. Prior to my BK my score was low 700's, and I had 30 day lates from time to time. There are no open collections or anything of the sort; medical collections were discharged with the BK, and a couple that survived it were paid in full. I cannot get them all removed, I've tried.
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Tuscani
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Anonymous
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Re: FICO Score Stuck at 600

SkiloverLA, if you have not already done so, purchase your 3 MyFICO credit reports with scores at this website. If you are looking at your reports directly from EX, EQ or TU, they do not tell you what's hurting your scores.

After you do that, look at the "Understanding Your FICO Score" page in each of the 3 MyFICO reports. This page will list the top three or four factors hurting your score at each Credit Reporting Agency and give details. Trust no score analysis from any "triple credit report" company!! ....For example, I had Identity Guard telling me the "date reported" was considered the most recent delinquency for wach account before I found this website.

Any late payment after your BK hurts you BAD....You mentioned you may have one or two. I have no lates two years after my BK filing, but do have one collection, and I'm right around 700 at all 3 CRAs. If you have late payments reported after BK discharge, make sure they are correct.

A weird problem to watch for in the factors hurting your score from the MyFICO "Understanding Your FICO Score" analysis:

If you see something like "your most recent missed payment was 1 month ago," and you know that's wrong, a creditor may still be reporting after your BK. Even if it's GOOD information reported after an account is in BK status, it will destroy your score. In my case, our mortgage company continued reporting our payments after BK. It took me months to figure out this was the problem with my score. When I finally got them to remove the reporting after BK, my score went up 79 points with NO other changes.

Also, make sure no accounts that were not included in your bankruptcy are reported as if they were. Yes, this happens! If the CRAs wrongly construed good accounts as BK accounts, you may have had old positive accounts deleted. Making sure your GOOD accounts are reported properly is almost as important to maximizing your scores as getting the BAD reported correctly. 

If it's not anything that simple, post your negative score factors and I'm sure somebody here can help you figure out if  wrong.
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Anonymous
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I'm a bit puzzled about Tigers Fan's detailed and appreciated reply, regarding accounts reported subsequent to the BK.  I have some accounts that appear to be reported as open and in good standing that in fact are not, that were closed during the BK.  However, I've assumed this is a good thing, kind of a helpful error, as it shows available, unused credit lines in good standing.  The truth might be that they lost money and were closed in the BK; if I fix it, that is what will show.  Accordingly, I've left these mistakes be.  I'm struck you say "GOOD data" after BK can hurt you.  What do you mean by that?  If these mistakes are hurting me, perhaps you've identified the problem, but it is counter intuitive.
 
I do NOT have any accounts that really survived the BK, to my knowledge, all were closed, so your last paragraph is not hurting me in any way. 
 
Tigers Fan, I am dismayed by the difference in our credit scores, given a very similar history.  I have maybe two late payments in two years, one of which is a late by my daughter on a loan I cosigned; I had no idea she paid late, this was out of my control.  I have contested, but they claim she really paid late, and there's nothing you can do, they hold all the cards.  And, she probably DID pay late.  I have no outstanding collections, all were paid, though two were paid post-BK.  I cannot get them removed, I've tried. I hear you that lates post BK are hurtful, but I find it hard to believe two lates in two years, are worth 100 points.
 
Do you guys honestly feel if I buy even more credit reports and more credit scores (I buy them now from Experian), I will learn something I don't now know?  Obviously I don't even want the reports, I know what's on them, just the score analysis.  Nothing against MyFico, just this is getting expensive.  I guess you are saying if we knew what the supposed negative factors were, per MyFico, we could then try to deal with them.   I've never gotten a "score analysis" from anyone, just the scores directly from a bureau.  I've seen third party "FICO" scores, and some are hopelessly wrong, so I've just stuck to bureau provided data.  I take it on this forum to get the most help I will need to do this.  To me, the facts are the facts.  I had a BK with a lot of accounts, some of which were very large, followed by good credit behavior, other than two lates and two paid collections.  Regarding the medical collections, I moved and the first I heard about the money owed, due to insurance not paying, was from a collector.  Unfortunately I paid them without negotiating they wipe out the claim.  I've explained this reason for the collections, but it seems not to matter.
 
The most discouraging thing is the lack of movement of the score.  It should slowly be going up, despite any mistakes I may have made, it should not be mired as if set in concrete.  This is terribly frustrating.
 
 
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Anonymous
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Could you guys tell me which of the many MyFico products I need to get the credit score analysis mentioned above?  Presumably I need all three bureaus.
 
Thank you.
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MidnightVoice
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Ski:
 
It is pretty simple.  Fiscal responsibility and managing credit over time will cause a slow and steady increase in scores.
 
Doing the above, and learning to play the game the FICO way will lead to a faster increase in scores.
The slide from grace is really more like gliding
And I've found the trick is not to stop the sliding
But to find a graceful way of staying slid
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haulingthescoreup
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@Anonymous wrote:
Could you guys tell me which of the many MyFico products I need to get the credit score analysis mentioned above? Presumably I need all three bureaus.
Thank you.

All the myFICO products have the simulator, according to the shiny new chart when you click "Products." I've got ScoreWatch like many others, which gives you EQ scores and reports and supposedly alerts you to changes, plus gives you discounted rates on EQ reports after your 1 or 2 freebies. All the products are one-time score purchases.

It might be a good idea to purchase all three scores initially, just so you have a good baseline, but only the FICO EQ and FICO TU scores give you a full analysis of your scores and a simulator on the last screen to do lots of what-if's. EX will tell you what it doesn't like, but not what you're doing right, while the other two will. EX doesn't play nicely with FICO.

Don't bet the bank on exactly reaching the projected scores on the EQ and TU simulators, but do work out all the different scenarios--pay all bills on time for 3 months, 6 months, 12 months; pay off half your credit balances, pay off all your credit balances, etc. Click on the "Credit Education" tab and get familiar with the pie chart, because that's what is being reflected in the score simulator. The scales on screen 2 and the simulator are brutally honest about where you're not matching what FICO is looking for. hope that helps some
* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
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Anonymous
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Midnight, as much as I hate to say it, you undoubtedly are right.  I've been carefully managing credit, paying bills on time, obtaining credit, and it hasn't done **bleep**.
 
So, I guess what I need to learn to do is play the FICO game...I'm just so anti-game playing it is hard for me, but that facts are simple:  What I'm doing is not working.  It's depressing the extent to which it isn't working, but it is what it is. 

Thanks.
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Anonymous
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Hauling:  I will get all three; I don't need the tracking.  I wonder if there will be any way to model the issues surfaced by Tigers, because that may prove to be critical.  It revolves around clarifying that some accounts listed as "open and current" that in fact were closed during my BK may be hurting me as they are.  I find this hard to understand, but it is an issue Tigers brought up, and I saw something like it elsewhere on the forums.  I doubt, however, there will be a way to model this.
 
If anyone can shed any light on this issue, of accounts that survive BK, and if they can hurt you, I'd really appreciate it.  In my case, NO accounts truly survived, but some are listed as having done so.  I've always assumed they are better listed as "open and current" than as "included in BK", so I have not fixed these errors.  Plus, they make my credit appear to have more open accounts in good standing.  Tigers tried to explain how accounts that report post BK can hurt you, but I don't follow this logic.  I really would like more clarification if possible.
 
Otherwise, there is little I can do.  I can show what happens if I pay off all my credit cards or pay them down more, though I pay most in full each month.  I have one where maybe I should bring down the balance, so I can play with that.  Otherwise, my options appear limited.  I will be interested to see what the FICO reports specifically say are hurting my score, other than of course the BK, which is water under the dam.  Since there are many with 700 FICO scores 2 years post BK, it seems to me my troubles lie elsewhere at this point.
 
I will report back, once I obtain and review these reports.  In the meantime, I'm intrigued with the "Tigers issue" described above.
 
Thanks all.
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