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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Waiting for the hammer to drop...

FWIW with my file last year when I was Amex CLI and high balance chasing and maxxing my tradeline as a result with a 3X CLI in between the two tests at 99 and 97% utilization respectively, aggregate utilization utilization I'd have to check but was definitely >10% (think low one was 13%) and high one 27% or thereabouts, <30%.

 

EQ Beacon 5.0: 660 -> 646 -> 660 -> 646 -> 660.

 

Prettier file and FICO 8 will probably get hit harder than that.  If you don't mind sharing the data once you get it I'd be interested in knowing about it!




        
Message 11 of 25
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Waiting for the hammer to drop...

Did your scores end up dropping? I'm curious to know this.
Message 12 of 25
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Waiting for the hammer to drop...


@LuckyBird wrote:

I have a ridiculously low limit on my Citi DC, as you can see in my sig.  I use it for almost all of my non-cat spending and make 2 to 3 payments a month, whenever it gets to several hundred dollars, to keep it under control.  It is always PIF or very close to it before the statement cuts.

 

I had a minor surgery last month and paid a lot of the bills with it, so instead of just a few hundred, it ended up almost maxed at just under $2,000.  I paid it off yesterday and realized while I was logged in that it was the statement cut day.  I was hoping the payment would register in time and it wouldn't report that balance, but late last night I got the statement email and the balance did (or will) report.

 

My overall UTIL will still be very low, but it will be a case of a card that never reports much of a balance being suddenly maxed.

 

Yikes...

 

I do know that temporary utilization is no big deal and score effects will (should?) reverse themselves quickly, but I'm very curious (& a little nervous) to see what this will do. 


I would suggest that you need to go into "I need a CLI" mode. Stop paying the DC so fast. Let the balance report $2k, PIF a few days after statement cuts, then charge it up again to $2k by the next statement, it reports, gets paid, rinse and repeat. Your main use of the DC is for 2% back. With heavy usage, Citi will probably give you a button to press to ask for a SP CLI within 6 months or less.

 

Good luck!

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 13 of 25
Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Waiting for the hammer to drop...

Whenever a balance gets reported that is more than 75% (or 80%) of your credit line, it is viewed as maxed out by most Fico scoring models.

 

I made a one time mistake of charging $3202 on a store credit card with a $4000 limit (80% utilization). Although my overall utilization (all cards) for the month stayed under 4%, my score Fico 4 score took a 40 point drop - from over 800 to 765. I always pay statements in full each month but that did not help. I called, asked for and eceived a credit line increase to $7500. Over the last year I have kept utilization under 15% on all individual cards and  5% overall. My score has rebounded to 796 but I still have a ways to go.

 

You may see a 30 to 60 point drop in your Fico 4 scores as a result of maxing out your card.

 

Note: my Fico 8 scores from all three CRAs reported at 850 so the Fico 8 model likely looks at payments relative to balance (e.g. pay in full every month) where as the Fico 4 model does not..

 

Although you might get a hard inquiry, I would suggest asking to have your credit line increased to $4000 or $5000 to reduce card utilization. Repeatedly charging up to near the limit on your card - even if you pay before the post date is problematic and may not trigger a credit line increase.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
Message 14 of 25
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Waiting for the hammer to drop...

I have a discover it card with 399.99 reporting. Cl is 1600. The rest of my cards are at 14%. Am I going to see a drop? Very curious to know. Oh last statement reported as 104 balence.
Message 15 of 25
LuckyBird
Regular Contributor

Re: Waiting for the hammer to drop...


@Anonymous wrote:
Did your scores end up dropping? I'm curious to know this.

I haven't gotten an alert on it yet.  I'm kind of surprised by that since the statement cut on 6/02.  I guess MyFico's just a little slow...

 

I will report back if/when I get one, though.  The only thing that's happened so far is a $20 balance reported on my USAA card & dropped my EQ 3 points.  I let that card report purposely because it hasn't ever reported a balance since I opened it last summer.  Someone on here made a good point about that a little while back, so I decided to let them all report occasionally.  Not all at the same time, though.  (and not with $2,000 balances!!)

Chase Sapphire Reserve $30,000 | Amex BCP $30,000 | Discover It $30,000 | Citi Simp $16,500 | NFCU Cash Rewards $14,400 | Citi DC $9,800 | Chase Freedom $9,000 | VS $4,100 | Kohl's $3,000 | Loft $3,000

EQ 823 ~ TU 817 ~ EXP 808 | ITG since 8/24/2016
Message 16 of 25
LuckyBird
Regular Contributor

Re: Waiting for the hammer to drop...


@NRB525 wrote:

@LuckyBird wrote:

I have a ridiculously low limit on my Citi DC, as you can see in my sig.  I use it for almost all of my non-cat spending and make 2 to 3 payments a month, whenever it gets to several hundred dollars, to keep it under control.  It is always PIF or very close to it before the statement cuts.

 

I had a minor surgery last month and paid a lot of the bills with it, so instead of just a few hundred, it ended up almost maxed at just under $2,000.  I paid it off yesterday and realized while I was logged in that it was the statement cut day.  I was hoping the payment would register in time and it wouldn't report that balance, but late last night I got the statement email and the balance did (or will) report.

 

My overall UTIL will still be very low, but it will be a case of a card that never reports much of a balance being suddenly maxed.

 

Yikes...

 

I do know that temporary utilization is no big deal and score effects will (should?) reverse themselves quickly, but I'm very curious (& a little nervous) to see what this will do. 


I would suggest that you need to go into "I need a CLI" mode. Stop paying the DC so fast. Let the balance report $2k, PIF a few days after statement cuts, then charge it up again to $2k by the next statement, it reports, gets paid, rinse and repeat. Your main use of the DC is for 2% back. With heavy usage, Citi will probably give you a button to press to ask for a SP CLI within 6 months or less.

 

Good luck!


I'll try that.  Thanks!  It's high again right now, (about $1600) as I've put more of the medical bills on it.  I have the money sitting in the bank to pay it, just haven't done it yet.

Chase Sapphire Reserve $30,000 | Amex BCP $30,000 | Discover It $30,000 | Citi Simp $16,500 | NFCU Cash Rewards $14,400 | Citi DC $9,800 | Chase Freedom $9,000 | VS $4,100 | Kohl's $3,000 | Loft $3,000

EQ 823 ~ TU 817 ~ EXP 808 | ITG since 8/24/2016
Message 17 of 25
LuckyBird
Regular Contributor

Re: Waiting for the hammer to drop...


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

Whenever a balance gets reported that is more than 75% (or 80%) of your credit line, it is viewed as maxed out by most Fico scoring models.

 

I made a one time mistake of charging $3202 on a store credit card with a $4000 limit (80% utilization). Although my overall utilization (all cards) for the month stayed under 4%, my score Fico 4 score took a 40 point drop - from over 800 to 765. I always pay statements in full each month but that did not help. I called, asked for and eceived a credit line increase to $7500. Over the last year I have kept utilization under 15% on all individual cards and  5% overall. My score has rebounded to 796 but I still have a ways to go.

 

You may see a 30 to 60 point drop in your Fico 4 scores as a result of maxing out your card.

 

Note: my Fico 8 scores from all three CRAs reported at 850 so the Fico 8 model likely looks at payments relative to balance (e.g. pay in full every month) where as the Fico 4 model does not..

 

Although you might get a hard inquiry, I would suggest asking to have your credit line increased to $4000 or $5000 to reduce card utilization. Repeatedly charging up to near the limit on your card - even if you pay before the post date is problematic and may not trigger a credit line increase.


holy cow...

 

I don't monitor Fico 4 scores (have no idea where to find those) but I would hope NONE of them will drop that much...

 

At this point asking for a CLI wouldn't do any good...the balance has already reported.  Also not willing to take a HP now.  I don't have THAT many inquiiries - 4 to 6 on each CB - but I want to let them all age off.  I have all the cards I need/want, so just letting everything rock along & only allowing SP's.

Chase Sapphire Reserve $30,000 | Amex BCP $30,000 | Discover It $30,000 | Citi Simp $16,500 | NFCU Cash Rewards $14,400 | Citi DC $9,800 | Chase Freedom $9,000 | VS $4,100 | Kohl's $3,000 | Loft $3,000

EQ 823 ~ TU 817 ~ EXP 808 | ITG since 8/24/2016
Message 18 of 25
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Waiting for the hammer to drop...

Did your scores update yet?
Message 19 of 25
Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Waiting for the hammer to drop...

Fico 4 scores are used by mortgage lenders. They are sometimes referred to as EQ Fico 5 (Beacon 5), TU Fico 4, and EX Fico 2 (or 3). They come as part of the 3 CB report offered by MiFico but you have to pay for the report. I found the information helpful and would recommend it as a once a year investment. 

 

My reason for increasing the credit line on the card I "maxed out" was to reduce calculated utilization for credit reports in future months. I believe the Fico models look at the last one or two years of payment history for credit card utilization analysis. The CRAs list credit limit and high balance on their statements by credit card. Not sure how past balances factor in but, a higher credit limit potentially reduces the % utilization.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
Message 20 of 25
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