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CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!

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nitrov
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Re: CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!


@Anonymous wrote:
All you can do is try! Hopefully it will work out for you!

Thanks. When I call the automated app line it still says app pending 2 weeks...but I'm confident it's already a firm no. Oh well. I got my Citi Prestige card and my CLI from Chase so I'm content for now.

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KSK1912
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Re: CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!


@nitrov wrote:

@ScoreOrBeScored wrote:

Sorry bout your denial... Sorry but your income, bank funds, or your credit score / file doesn't make you an exception to the rule.

 

sounds like you've been away from the board for a while, but a little bit of reading would have yielded you plenty of info to help with 

 

your decision making. And you have no right to get upset at the community just because no one brought it up to you. 

 

So please stop lashing out at the community for where you feel short in doing all your research after getting advise. 

 

Wish sh you better luck when your elgible to reapply. Thank you have a GREAT DAY Smiley Happy


I'm not "lashing out at the community," I'm upset at Chase because I think it's an absurd policy. I'm upset I didn't know about it. Can a person not be upset without it being construed as an assault? I'm not sure why you'd be so arrogant about it since there's no way humanly possible any one person can keep up-to-date on EVERYTHING that happens on these boards. 


OP no offense but i think Score is right. I do not have a chase account and i am fairly new to credit and app and all that but i read here enough to know that Chase has a very strict 5/24 rule and also that Chase almost always does a second pull for a cli, even if you got the card 2 days ago and reconning the SL. Next time, before you app for a card, read the Credit Card Applications section of the board, not the approvals. That's the best place to look for info on any card you want to apply for "Before you apply for it"


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Anonymous
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Re: CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!

It just absolutely boggles my mind that there are a number of people trying to rationalize and explain away Chase's clearly bad faith, borderline illegal behavior. If they wanted to enforce this asinine policy then they should either put up a disclaimer about the 5/24 rule before people apply, or they should perform a sp to decide whether to evaluate the application. Instead, they just institute this policy and damage people's credit by pulling a hard inquiry which they NEVER intend to even evaluate, because they just can. People should be mad about this kind of behavior from a bank that is way too powerful, but instead some of you guys are saying things like oh, it makes sense for their bottom line; oh, it's your fault for not paying attention, you should've learned about this policy that has never been actually published by Chase; and it's understandable Chase cavalierly hurts our credit because god forbids Chase suffers the horrors of acquiring unprofitable customers.

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KSK1912
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Re: CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!


@Anonymous wrote:

It just absolutely boggles my mind that there are a number of people trying to rationalize and explain away Chase's clearly bad faith, borderline illegal behavior. If they wanted to enforce this asinine policy then they should either put up a disclaimer about the 5/24 rule before people apply, or they should perform a sp to decide whether to evaluate the application. Instead, they just institute this policy and damage people's credit by pulling a hard inquiry which they NEVER intend to even evaluate, because they just can. People should be mad about this kind of behavior from a bank that is way too powerful, but instead some of you guys are saying things like oh, it makes sense for their bottom line; oh, it's your fault for not paying attention, you should've learned about this policy that has never been actually published by Chase; and it's understandable Chase cavalierly hurts our credit because god forbids Chase suffers the horrors of acquiring unprofitable customers.


Chase does not hurt yout credit for adding a hp, people do it to themselves for applying for several cards just to have so much in available credit where 95% of them don't even use 10% of available credit to them. They hurt their own reports/scores by adding several cards just to have them sit in their sock drawer have the bragging right to say, i have XXX amount of available credit. Don't forget that banks DO NOT have unlimited amount of money. If they will extend credit to someone, they would rather do it to someone that will actually swipe the card and use the extended credit rather than to someone that will just SD the card just to say they have a chase saphire card. I am sure that Chase did not wake up one morning and say, hey let's make a new rule and call it 5/24 blah blah blah....! They have definitely done their homework, research, risk/gain/loss assestments and decided that it is more beneficial to them and apply the rule. As far as putting a disclaimer, than there is several other reasons that people can get denied credit, and they do not have disclaimers for them either. As i said above in another post under this thread earlier, i do not have a chase account, but i even know that Chase has the 5/24 rule, it includes AU accounts, Chase CLI's are almost always HP's no matter when you request it, their cobranded cards are excluded from the 5/24 rule (at least for the moment), and if you are not instantly approved for a chase card, you never call and talk to the reps about your application, but call the app status line, and wait it out. And about Chase acquiring unprofitable customers, they have data points of millions and millions of Chase users for several years. I am sure they have done their homework and decided that this will be to their benefit. And maybe they chose to bring this rule to eliminate the people that is onlyu costing them money to maintain an account, but not making any money to the company.  And to sum it all, just like as a consumer, you have a right to choose any credit company / product to apply for, they have a right to choose who they want to work. We can not blame them for our own ignorance.


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Anonymous
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Re: CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!

To echo the others, you have to wait 2 years. 50k isn't a lot Chase. Also, the retail banking and credit card divisions are seperate. Seeking new credit is a red flag. I know it's only worth 10% of score but the bank doesn't like it. They don't care about a 6 figure income anymore. You can earn 6 figures and still be broke
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nitrov
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Re: CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!

Lol I'm so blown away by so many of the "holier than thou" attitudes this topic has brought up. Like seriously, it's a credit card...people act like its a caste system and I need to "be more worthy" to get this card cuz I'm just not one of he privileged few. Oh please. The reality is Chase has an arbitrary rule and that's why I don't have the stupid card, BIG DEAL. If you're someone who has this card, great for you. There's nothing wrong with my spending patterns, or my credit, or my income, nor my creditworthiness except the fact that my identity was stolen and I had to open more than 5 measly accounts to rebuild it XD some people need to get over themselves. I'm far from broke, I don't SD hardly any of my cards, and the 2 I have with Chase have plenty of revenue generated for the bank. I'll never cry them a river, I don't know why anyone else would waste their breath defending a bank like Chase but oh well! Have your fun
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nitrov
Established Contributor

Re: CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!

And extra LOL at "banks don't have unlimited amounts of money to lend"...like do you know what liquidity and reserve requirements in this country are? A total joke
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Anonymous
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Re: CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!

I haven't read through this whole thread but I know I didn't suggest any of those things. To the contrary, my point was similar to yours- a credit card is not a reflection of personal wealth.
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Anonymous
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Re: CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!

Also, what's the difference whether the 5/24 thing or whatever is a policy or a "policy"? Personally, I like transparency so the more info we have about a bank's thought process, the better. Chase probably did some sort of electronic analysis that showed folks that opened x number of accounts in a year were more likely to default and picked a cut off. To an extent this is arbitrary, but banking relies on numbers- fico score? There is nothing particularly special about a CSP, especially compared to a healthy salary and savings.
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nitrov
Established Contributor

Re: CSP DECLINED with 740 Credit Score?! Really, CHASE?!

I'm not saying you did, but plenty of other people have alluded to that train of thought or rationale. What is or isn't arbitrary is relative. To other countries, our whole credit system is arbitrary, but as far as US banks who issue credit cards go, in my view their 5/24 rule is very arbitrary. You can literally talk in circles about the whole thing, but it's absurd that people would fault an applicant saying "you should have looked deep into the bowels of Chase policy before applying so shame on you!" So stupid. We're all entitled to our opinions here, but telling people "you're not good enough so get over it," has never been the point of this forum. It just shocks me since I've never seen that kind of negative feedback on here before but this topic seems to bring out some of the worst in people.
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