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AMEX TRIFECTA vs CHASE TRIFECTA

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wasCB14
Super Contributor

Re: AMEX TRIFECTA vs CHASE TRIFECTA


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:
I'm pretty sure MR and UR can both go to the 3 major alliances, I haven't personally tried to pool them yet but CreditShifu did a video on just this. 

Yes, but as MrDisco99 says, you can only pool  to specific airlines, so then you are restricted to that airlines partner award chart.  Which may or may not be OK.


And just because you have access to all three alliances doesn't mean the award price will be attractive, or that the award search and booking process will be straightforward.

Personal spend: Amex Gold, Amex Schwab Plat., BofA PR+CCR(x2), Costco
Business use: Amex Bus. Plat., BBP, Lowes Amex AU, CFU AU
Perks: Delta Plat., United Explorer, IHG49, Hyatt, "Old SPG"
Mostly SD: Freedom Flex, Freedom, Arrival
Upgrade/Downgrade games: ED, BCE
SUB chasing: AA Platinum Select
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Anonymous
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Re: AMEX TRIFECTA vs CHASE TRIFECTA

I definitely still have room for my 5/24 slots. I just don’t feel as compelled as before to steer towards Chase anymore. Amex is so hot right now that I feel like they should get all my attention.

But at the same time you never know what Chase will do to revamp their Sapphire CCs which makes me wanna still save those slots. Aaaaahhhh mind boggling!!

My AAoA is only 2 years so I’m stuck between applying now to get the Amex cards I need, meaning getting the platinum and the BB plus to lock in the 2X on everything, commit to MR and potentially get rid of my cash magnet (6000 SL) and cash back program with Amex.

I already use cash back with my Chase Amazon Prime which is a lot more flexible than Amex cash back program as you can wire the cash back to virtually any external accounts, which totally rocks!

So even though my cash magnet is 36 months old (PC’ed from BCE) with an AAoA of 2 Years and few months would you rather let it age more before getting rid of it to minimize the impact on credit score or would you just get rid of it now. I mean it’s a no AF but I don’t like to carry cards I don’t use.

What do you guys think?
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MrDisco99
Valued Contributor

Re: AMEX TRIFECTA vs CHASE TRIFECTA

I'm LOL/24 so I'm pretty much committed to Amex anyway.  It just happens to work out that their cards have the best earn rates right now and their partners work well for where I am and where I want to go.  Even if I could get into Chase, I probably wouldn't right now.

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Anonymous
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Re: AMEX TRIFECTA vs CHASE TRIFECTA

You guys are still missing the point. The Sapphire/Ink Cash/Freedom/Amex Platinum/Amex Blue Business Plus have virtually no overlapping categories so you can get solid setups in both and get the lion's share of points from both programs. Arguably if you want to go through the hassle of the Sears MasterCard's 11x offers then the Prestige/Sears MC could be added as a third system where you'd still get the lion's share of points from all 3 not to mention all the SUBs etc. The only reason not to go through that is cuz it may be too much for an individual to want to maintain or keep up with, which is fine, but to just assert that you won't be earning enough points in any one program cuz you're spreading your spend too much I think is presumptuous.

Besides keep in mind if you utilize the Centurion lounge then you don't even have to earn MR for the Amex system to give you positive value, and with Citi if you use the 4th free night twice you also don't need to earn anything in there for it to be lucrative. But of course the points are gravy at that point. So why not have a chase setup and MR/TY as ancillary?
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iced
Valued Contributor

Re: AMEX TRIFECTA vs CHASE TRIFECTA


@Anonymous wrote:
You guys are still missing the point. The Sapphire/Ink Cash/Freedom/Amex Platinum/Amex Blue Business Plus have virtually no overlapping categories so you can get solid setups in both and get the lion's share of points from both programs. Arguably if you want to go through the hassle of the Sears MasterCard's 11x offers then the Prestige/Sears MC could be added as a third system where you'd still get the lion's share of points from all 3 not to mention all the SUBs etc. The only reason not to go through that is cuz it may be too much for an individual to want to maintain or keep up with, which is fine, but to just assert that you won't be earning enough points in any one program cuz you're spreading your spend too much I think is presumptuous.

Besides keep in mind if you utilize the Centurion lounge then you don't even have to earn MR for the Amex system to give you positive value, and with Citi if you use the 4th free night twice you also don't need to earn anything in there for it to be lucrative. But of course the points are gravy at that point. So why not have a chase setup and MR/TY as ancillary?

For me at least, the problem with spreading across more than one system is earning enough points to redeem in a reasonable period of time. Looking back at my last 5 mile redemptions, my average is 300,000 miles per redemption, and I can accrue about that amount each year across all earning sources (flights + card spend + other random bonuses). Dividing that number across multiple programs pushes the time between redemptions out even further, and, in the case of Delta/MR, it's even worse because their valuations are worse than United's. I'm often finding what I could book for 300,000 miles on United requires 2-4x that amount on Delta.

 

My flight travel pattern has shifted in the last year to be heavily toward Delta instead of United, and this has caused a major headache for me. I'm accruing Delta miles regardless of what I do with my other point spend, but if I go all-in on MR/Delta, I'm still now looking at a redemption every 3ish years with their valuation. If I go all-in with UR (except flights, obviously) I'm pushed from every year to every 2-3 years as well, but I'm also accruing Delta in the background where I can also redeem those every 6-10 years. Either way, the days of once a year are gone unless my travel swings back to United at some point in the future.

 

 

Playing both programs to optimize reward points per dollar just makes this problem worse. I just don't have the personal spend numbers to play the optimized category spend reward game and still get something I can use in a reasonable timeframe. Maybe when I retire and start using my planned $100,000/year travel budget I can, but not today. In the meantime, my best option is to let the Delta miles accrue in the background and push everything else toward UR to minimize my redemption intervals.

 

Lounge access is another matter (though the value is with SkyClub, not Centurion), and the only reason I have a Platinum card today. 

Message 25 of 27
HeavenOhio
Senior Contributor

Re: AMEX TRIFECTA vs CHASE TRIFECTA

@Anonymous, the reason that gardening for a year is suggested before applying for a mortgage is that you'll get a nice FICO bump when your AoYA (age of youngest account) is a year old. Additionally, by that time, all of your inquiries will become unscorable. And in your case, you're flirting with an AAoA (average age of accounts) of two years. It'd be better to be on the good side of it.

 

Your FICO8 scores are good. But mortgage scores probably aren't going to be as kind to young profiles. I'd grab those scores before proceeding with any card apps.

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Anonymous
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Re: AMEX TRIFECTA vs CHASE TRIFECTA


@HeavenOhio wrote:

@Anonymous, the reason that gardening for a year is suggested before applying for a mortgage is that you'll get a nice FICO bump when your AoYA (age of youngest account) is a year old. Additionally, by that time, all of your inquiries will become unscorable. And in your case, you're flirting with an AAoA (average age of accounts) of two years. It'd be better to be on the good side of it.

 

Your FICO8 scores are good. But mortgage scores probably aren't going to be as kind to young profiles. I'd grab those scores before proceeding with any card apps.


@Anonymous for your input @HeavenOhio.

 

The fact that I'm pre approved for the CSR in branch is so tempting. But I'll refrain from any apps until I close. I value getting approved for a nice mortgage rate much more than a rewards CC right now. Plus who knows, some changes may come to the Sapphire family after the aggressive moves from AMEX and soon CITI Bank with their CITI Prestige. Only downside of waiting on apps for the Sapphire cards is chances of AF increases.

 

Anyhow thank you all for all the valuable advice. Your input and knowledge are priceless!

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