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My wife has five revolvers. 2 are AMEX. 1 Retail/1 Citi/1Chase.
Past two months she went over Amex limit by 100% once and maxed out a couple times. The other cards had $0 balance.
Both her Amex are used heavily. One has 80% UTIL and a second above 60%.
Just recently she received an auto CLI just right after her 180 day mark. This was on the card she had recently gone over limit.
It was nice and unexpected.
Tnis morning both her Amex are near max out. So we attempted to 3X CLI and she was approved instantly.
The point I"m making is there's more to getting AMEX CLI than paying off all balances and leaving 1 TL under 10% util. Btw, she has been carrying balances on AMEX for a few months.
My theory is that AMEX uses internal scoring more than anything else. They haven't been SPing her for months. The most recent SP was just before the auto CLI. This leads me to think that AMEX will SP on new accounts and for auto CLI. As for CLI request it's likely based on internal scoring.
Any data to support or diffuse my theory?
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@kr3st00 wrote:
That's honestly incredible.
That's awesome to hear. I love hearing stories like this. It gives us all hope!
Well she didn't have a need for CLI so I suggested that the time to requiest CLI is when you doesn't need it. In the worst case she would get denied. Then we'd just wait another 90 days to try again.
wow
That's honestly incredible and it goes against everything I've read here. I guess it truly is YMMV!
Amex is spendcentric and your DW has used their cards heavily, not much to see here, PIF is one of the more reliable and responsible of a variety ways to maintain a strong Amex score, not the only way.
Most lenders, including Amex, will reward a cardholder who routinely pays >10% of outstanding balance each statement period...Amex doesn't love protracted revolving of balances generally speaking, if they determine the risk outweighs the rewards. A general rule of thumb is quite different from a myth or urban legend...Congrats on the CLI.
CLI's have never been based solely on usage. Usage can certainly play a part but no credit decision is ever based solely on a single factor. It all matters.
I've received CLI's with balances over 10% (but under 30%).
@takeshi74 wrote:CLI's have never been based solely on usage. Usage can certainly play a part but no credit decision is ever based solely on a single factor. It all matters.
I've received CLI's with balances over 10% (but under 30%).
It's possible also that the criteria used to approve new apps could skew towards <10% util on one card whereas approval for CLI might more or less base on loyalty and useage.
A good example might be when your Util ratio is > 30% with one issuer while all other card ratios are close to or equal to $0. Which would make sense.
Amex's preference for PIF is something that is accepted "in general," not a universal truth. For instance, Citi & Barclay prefer people carrying balances, but this is true "in general," and not in every case.
In other words, generalities are neither proven nor disproven, unlike a hypothesis. For example, in general, males are physically stronger, taller and run faster than females; just because the 100 Meter Woman's Gold medalist or Ms. Olympia is faster and stronger than most men *does not* invalidate, that, "in general," males are taller, stronger and run faster.
If I assert a hypothesis, such as, Amex CLIs cardmembers who carry a balance more than 13 months. In this case, your wife carrying a balance greater than 13 months without suffering a CLI would refute the aforementioned hypothesis (which must be true 100% of the time, unlike generalities). This, would be a "myth" or "truth" buster, refuting and disproving a working hypothesis.
So, in general, many find Amex's spendcentric model to favor PIF cardmembers, while Citi/Barclay's interest revenue model will tend to favor those who carry balances. An exception in these issuer's general practices neither refutes nor disproves the general characteristics of each issuer's chosen business model.
*Edited* PS - Amex is the *ONLY* CC I know of based primarily on a spendcentric (however, with the ED cards, they seem to be diversifying towards some interest based revenue) business model, though Chase comes close.
@Fico2Go wrote:
@takeshi74 wrote:CLI's have never been based solely on usage. Usage can certainly play a part but no credit decision is ever based solely on a single factor. It all matters.
I've received CLI's with balances over 10% (but under 30%).
It's possible also that the criteria used to approve new apps could skew towards <10% util on one card whereas approval for CLI might more or less base on loyalty and useage.
A good example might be when your Util ratio is > 30% with one issuer while all other card ratios are close to or equal to $0. Which would make sense.
Another data point for those in the planning is her EQ Fico is currently 653.