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I heard about this. I really hope it doesn't go to Synchrony. I love my Apple Card too much to see that happen lol
@swankytiger wrote:The likely suitors goes like this Syncrony > Capitalone > barclays > AMEX/Chase/USBank
Man.. I really hope Synchrony doesn't purchase this card. I liked that Goldman Sachs was the issuer.. gave it a bit of an elevated status to me.
I would keep it, as it's my 2nd most used card, if anyone BUT Synchrony moves forward with it. Especially if it's Barclays/Chase/Amex/US Bank.
@reluctantgarden wrote:
@swankytiger wrote:https://9to5mac.com/2023/11/29/job-opening-fintech-goldman-sachs-apple-card/
Looks like they might be rolling their own as well.
Anything would be better than Synchrony, and I could see Visa using its fintech to change Apple Card from Mastercard.
I wouldn't be angry if it changed from a Mastercard to a Visa. And I would be ecstatic if Amex took over. Although I bet if Amex takes over, they'll close out accounts and possibly make people reapply to have a new card.
@Guyatthebeach wrote:This will be interesting to see how this plays out. I think Synchrony will take the Apple Card portfolio and the savings account if additional feeds are added, and Apple. Agrees to change statement dates and payment due dates. I don't see this change as a win or consumers.
I would be shocked if Apple would move to an issuer that required additional fees. Less sure about the payment date issue, but even that seems like a stretch.
There's ZERO chance that Amex takes over the Apple Card. They don't have the risk tolerance for the kind of acceptance rate that Apple wants.
Amex thrives on membership fees and an extreme analytical approach to a consumer's income, spend habits, and payment abilities. Apple isn't going to allow that.
Synchrony is the best partner for them whether you like it or not. They deal with sub-prime to prime borrowers all the time and know how to run a business based around that. The only other competitor in that space would be Bread/Comenity.
I think it will be synch or Comenity that take over , I don't think AMEX would want this portfolio or their customers .
Apple Sacks Sachs, soon Apple bags Credit One
Capital One will do it and find ways to make you pay fees outside of what Apple wants.... They have a history for finding a way around things.... Maybe Credit One will bite.....?
I doubt Amex would do it. It's true that they are more conservative than Apple guidelines, which also rules out US Bank.
With the way banks are going towards MasterCard and Amex as a processor, then fintech might be the way around it to get Visa's name out there a bit more.
Apple might even have to give a little to find a suitor. For example, allow a tier system. Realistically, does everyone who gets the card deserve a Titanium card or no fee? Maybe a way for Apple to keep Sachs is to allow them to charge some fees for the lower tier credit individuals (hey I used to be one...) and simply give them a plastic card.
Tier 1 - Apple Fuji Card - No preset spending limit, low interest rate, titanium card, $295 but includes subscription to Apple Family plan and Apple fitnes, no other fees, ability to add up to 100 cards to your Apple wallet (seriously, why is there a limit to 16 cards?)
Tier 2 - Apple MacIntosh Card - limits up to $20,000, low interest rate, titanium card, no fees
Tier 3 - Golden Deliscious Card - limits up to $5,000, middle interest, plastic card no over the limit fees, but lates fees maybe
Tier 4 - HoneyCrisp Card - limits up to $1000, middle to higher interest, plastic, annual fee of $25, late fees over the limit fees, etc.
Tier 5 - Granny Smith Card - secured card with an annual fee of $39, paper card like a McDonalds gift certificate (joking), late fees, over the limit fees, etc.
@TiggerDat wrote:Apple Sacks Sachs, soon Apple bags Credit One
Capital One will do it and find ways to make you pay fees outside of what Apple wants.... They have a history for finding a way around things.... Maybe Credit One will bite.....?
I doubt Amex would do it. It's true that they are more conservative than Apple guidelines, which also rules out US Bank.
With the way banks are going towards MasterCard and Amex as a processor, then fintech might be the way around it to get Visa's name out there a bit more.
Apple might even have to give a little to find a suitor. For example, allow a tier system. Realistically, does everyone who gets the card deserve a Titanium card or no fee? Maybe a way for Apple to keep Sachs is to allow them to charge some fees for the lower tier credit individuals (hey I used to be one...) and simply give them a plastic card.
Tier 1 - Apple Fuji Card - No preset spending limit, low interest rate, titanium card, $295 but includes subscription to Apple Family plan and Apple fitnes, no other fees, ability to add up to 100 cards to your Apple wallet (seriously, why is there a limit to 16 cards?)
Tier 2 - Apple MacIntosh Card - limits up to $20,000, low interest rate, titanium card, no fees
Tier 3 - Golden Deliscious Card - limits up to $5,000, middle interest, plastic card no over the limit fees, but lates fees maybe
Tier 4 - HoneyCrisp Card - limits up to $1000, middle to higher interest, plastic, annual fee of $25, late fees over the limit fees, etc.
Tier 5 - Granny Smith Card - secured card with an annual fee of $39, paper card like a McDonalds gift certificate (joking), late fees, over the limit fees, etc.
Titanium card sounds fancy but realistically metal cards don't cost that much to make, it's a small piece of sheet metal and some plastic covering and/or etching. The included overnight delivery probably costs more than the card, they probably can get away with switching to USPS.
While these tiers might make sense for a lot of CC programs, I don't think it's something Apple is going to do. Apple likes to have the image of a premium lifestyle tech brand, a common plastic card doesn't sound right for them.
(Unless they can come up with a fancy-sounding name for plastic that is. If they can sell cheap stuff for a ton, yeah that sounds like Apple.)
I also think it's going to be Synchrony or Comenity. Big banks like Chase, Citi, especially US Bank and others won't touch this card with a ten foot pole. Amex won't get AF and other fees they like and they also don't like people not PIFing (Apple card also does the Apple product financing), so no Amex. Credit one will want more fees too. Maybe Capital One, but Apple Card might be too risky even for them. I think it'll be Synchrony or Comenity.
Whoever it ends up being, I hope they introduce an alternative website for managing the card. Both the website and the wallet app leave a lot to be desired.
@TiggerDat wrote:Capital One will do it and find ways to make you pay fees outside of what Apple wants.... They have a history for finding a way around things.... Maybe Credit One will bite.....?
Sure, because Apple is an unsophisticated company, that they would not notice Capital One adding fees. Got it.
Apple might even have to give a little to find a suitor.
Or they may have learned enough from this experiment that they will now just buy a small bank and start issuing their own cards. Given what they did with the Rockr and other things, that seems completely reasonable.
For example, allow a tier system. Realistically, does everyone who gets the card deserve a Titanium card or no fee?
Yes. While I understand the argument for charging riskier customers more, it seems very much the opposite of what it feels like Apple wants to do. Looking at their “Path to Apple Card” program, and their focus on financial health, charging the people who can least afford it more seems less likely.
Maybe a way for Apple to keep Sachs is to allow them to charge some fees for the lower tier credit individuals (hey I used to be one...) and simply give them a plastic card.
From everything we have seen, this is not just a purely financial play for them. It needs to support their brand and ecosystem. As has already been mentioned, the cost of the card is a tiny expense. They may decide to drop it, but I would not expect that to be the most likely option. It should also be noted that Goldman Sachs seems to have decided to get out of the consumer banking business, probably dropping GM as well. I am not sure that Apple wants to make concessions to GS, at the expense of Apple’s brand.
It's obviously going to be TD Bank! Samsung Financing: Pay Monthly for Your Phone, TV, Appliance & Other Products | Samsung US
They do Samsung, so handling Apple as well will be easy. Maybe a combined Apple/Samsung card for a huge segment of the mobile phone market....