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I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)

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Anonymous
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Re: I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)

Another thought. 

 

My initial limit was $2,000. I spent a little over the initial line this month. Perhaps, that was enough to spook them? 

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UncleB
Credit Mentor

Re: I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)


@Anonymous wrote:

My only thing is, I wish I knew exactly what they want out of me. I have to wait til Monday now, and hope & prey I'm able to get my "account manager" on the phone. 

 

I have read online, that sometimes, the FR Team, just wants basic stuff, like to verify your address, or something. Maybe it's that? 

 

I'll certainly give you guys updates, I really have no idea how this is going to pan out myself. I'd also like any advice, from people, who've been through my shoes. 

 

 

 


One thing did just 'jump' out at me...

 

When I read your original post, I erroneously thought you were talking about an Amex charge card, i.e. Green, Gold/PRG, or Platinum.  I now realize that in your signature you've got a BCE.  I apologize for not noticing that earlier...

 

The $2000 or so in spending on your card, was it all 'general spend' type stuff, or was it specific to the rewards categories?  In other words, was it all (or the majority) on gas or grocery stores?

 

If it's 'general spend' I'm still clueless.  But if you spent $2k at grocery stores within a few weeks and your income isn't significantly more than $2k per month, that'll be your problem - they could think you're manufacturing your spending to get extra cash rewards.

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UncleB
Credit Mentor

Re: I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)


@Anonymous wrote:

Another thought. 

 

My initial limit was $2,000. I spent a little over the initial line this month. Perhaps, that was enough to spook them? 


When it comes "down to it", we can speculate all night, but you won't know for sure until you speak with them.

 

The 'biggies' that I'm aware of that seem to get their attention are when negative stuff 'suddenly' appears on the credit report, when it appears you're doing 'manufactured spending' to artificially inflate your cash rewards/MR points, or when somebody with a PIF charge card reports an income of $35k/year yet somehow charges $4k/month... even if they are able to PIF on time.

 

If none of these apply, I'm at a loss. 

 

As other's have said, please let us know what they tell you!

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Anonymous
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Re: I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)

It was all, General Spending. Didn't have a chance to do any Catagory spending, before I was cut off.

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Anonymous
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Re: I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)

What income and financial assets did you report when you applied?

2k spend on a 2k limit can be a problem but probably not on its own. FR is usually from multiple red flags showing up at once.
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UncleB
Credit Mentor

Re: I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)


@Anonymous wrote:
It was all, General Spending. Didn't have a chance to do any Catagory spending, before I was cut off.


Since we've pretty much eliminated all the other possibilities, the only thing left (that I can see) would be they might want to get proof of income for your recent CLI.  If this is the case, the conversation should be a 'painless' one, and once you provide what they ask for you will be 'good to go'.

 

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you! 

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Anonymous
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Re: I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)

UncleB, that may be the case, but with CLIs, don't they usually ask for income verification, and not an FR? I don't have an Amex, so I might be totally wrong, but I don't think they tell you your account may be closed during income verification.

Sending good thoughts your way--given the information we have, the way you're being treated is incredibly unreasonable. Never understood the point of sending someone a credit limit, and not allowing them to use it when they've shown they can pay well and on time. In this case, actually, that might not even be the problem, so we'll see?

Brainstorming, so stop me if this is not a good idea: Is there no address you can fax (or overnight, or email) a letter to that at least dates you before the deadline, and states that you're attempting to get the right documents for a FR, but the person that has not contacted you, despite your attempts to get in contact with them? Have you received confirmation numbers for your calls? If so, they can be written on the letter as well.

I don't know... whenever my college is being unreasonably difficult about my forms and sends me letters asking for documentation incredibly late (which seems to be every year), it's just become a standard now for me to send dated letters (sometimes I'll notarize them too, just in case) to at least have some sort of written defense. But I'm dealing with a school, you're dealing with a financial company, so my method might just waste your time.

I know, that's just how Amex do, take it or leave it, risk assessment, etc. But sometimes their anxiety sounds like my anxiety, and we all know a relationship between two anxious people doesn't really tend to work out, hahaha.

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taxi818
Super Contributor

Re: I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)

This is pretty simple. You don't know what they want?  It's a financial review. They want copies of your pay stubs. Bank account info. It's ok to send entire household such as wife's info as well. If self employed. They want you to send signed authorization for the 4506-t. This is all they need. You don't need to wait on supervisor to fax this info over. Put your reference number on all documents. And you will be good to go. You idid send it today. Will be waiting on your account manager. IT does not have to be complete in 14 days. You just get what I mentioned to them within the 14 days. 

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UncleB
Credit Mentor

Re: I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)


@Anonymous wrote:

UncleB, that may be the case, but with CLIs, don't they usually ask for income verification, and not an FR? I don't have an Amex, so I might be totally wrong, but I don't think they tell you your account may be closed during income verification.

Sending good thoughts your way--given the information we have, the way you're being treated is incredibly unreasonable. Never understood the point of sending someone a credit limit, and not allowing them to use it when they've shown they can pay well and on time. In this case, actually, that might not even be the problem, so we'll see?

Brainstorming, so stop me if this is not a good idea: Is there no address you can fax (or overnight, or email) a letter to that at least dates you before the deadline, and states that you're attempting to get the right documents for a FR, but the person that has not contacted you, despite your attempts to get in contact with them? Have you received confirmation numbers for your calls? If so, they can be written on the letter as well.

I don't know... whenever my college is being unreasonably difficult about my forms and sends me letters asking for documentation incredibly late (which seems to be every year), it's just become a standard now for me to send dated letters (sometimes I'll notarize them too, just in case) to at least have some sort of written defense. But I'm dealing with a school, you're dealing with a financial company, so my method might just waste your time.

I know, that's just how Amex do, take it or leave it, risk assessment, etc. But sometimes their anxiety sounds like my anxiety, and we all know a relationship between two anxious people doesn't really tend to work out, hahaha.


I agree completely... that's why we're all stumped. 

 

In my personal experience and what I've read other's on here report, a CLI is either denied, granted, or they ask for verification of income pending the CLI being granted.  I've never heard of a FR for completely no reason, and certainly not because somebody requests a CLI... even when a CLI requires income verification it's still up to the cardmember if they want to follow through or not; the request in that case can even be safely ignored and there's no adverse action (other than the CLI not being granted).

 

That's not what's happening here... what the OP is describing is a true financial review, account suspension and all.  In this case, the CLI was even granted, which like you say points at something other than the CLI causing the FR, however without more data it's seems to be the only thing 'out of the ordinary' that might have brought attention to the OP's account.  Unless there's something more than we've been told by the OP, this is truly bizarre.

 

The OP says there's nothing new on the credit report, and his utilization is fine as well.  We've also ruled out suspicions of MS, so it's not that, either.  The only thing left that possibly raised a flag somewhere was the CLI... but until he actually talks to his account manager at Amex all we can do is speculate.

 

Taxi is right; the OP could just send over income information (and that might be all that's needed) but as strange as this if it were me I would still want to talk to somebody to find out what the driving factor was.  It's also seems that if it were as simple as faxing over some paystubs, one would think any rep could have instructed the OP to do so.

 

Like you, I'm hopeful for the OP, and I'm sending all my 'good vibes' his way as well.

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kdm31091
Super Contributor

Re: I guess I should have seen this coming... (AMEX FR)

I think charging 2k on a 2k limit may have been problematic here but as with all threads about FR there's little point in speculating. Something OP did seemed risky to amex.

All you can do is send the documents and hope for the best OP. These things happen and there's little we can do except comply and carry on, or cancel the account. Good luck
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