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Justifying a CLI with low usage?

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Justifying a CLI with low usage?


@masscredit wrote:

@ddemari wrote:

OP, i like your thread because I have felt that same a lot in the past. I really only ever ponder that now If I were doing a CLI recon with someone like BOA or barclays because they will mention usually when they are telling you what to do for nex time, like use more of the card and pay it off in full and you might qualify for a limit in line with your spending. 


Details like that can be very helpful to the consumer. That way we know what needs to be done for next time. 

 

I've learned that usage doesn't matter as much as I thought it does and to shoot for the stars if they ask how much I'm looking for. I do that sometimes. Other times I ask for a modest increase because I think it will be more likely to be approved. They will usually give a counter offer if they can't approve that amount so it doesn't hurt to ask. The answer is usually "no" if you don't try. 


You should be a little more specific, regarding which lenders you are asking the CLI from, vs "all lenders" because all lenders are not the same.

 

Your Capital One cards will reach a ceiling. Then CapOne will start sending you CLI Decline reasons letters like "not enough usage" "payments too small", but they won't give you a CLI after a certain level, full stop.

Barclays likely can get you a SP CLI.

Merrick, Walmart, and JCP, ok, they look like they're about there.

Lowes gets crazy sometimes, but you are almost maxed on that one as well.

 

Other banks will have slightly different pathways to get to CLI. Usage isn't mandatory, though on a low limit card high utilization percentages are unavoidable. HP are common on several of those other banks, SP CLI are extremely rare. AMEX and Discover SP and relatively easy CLI almost without regard to usage.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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masscredit
Senior Contributor

Re: Justifying a CLI with low usage?


@NRB525 wrote:

@masscredit wrote:

@ddemari wrote:

OP, i like your thread because I have felt that same a lot in the past. I really only ever ponder that now If I were doing a CLI recon with someone like BOA or barclays because they will mention usually when they are telling you what to do for nex time, like use more of the card and pay it off in full and you might qualify for a limit in line with your spending. 


Details like that can be very helpful to the consumer. That way we know what needs to be done for next time. 

 

I've learned that usage doesn't matter as much as I thought it does and to shoot for the stars if they ask how much I'm looking for. I do that sometimes. Other times I ask for a modest increase because I think it will be more likely to be approved. They will usually give a counter offer if they can't approve that amount so it doesn't hurt to ask. The answer is usually "no" if you don't try. 


You should be a little more specific, regarding which lenders you are asking the CLI from, vs "all lenders" because all lenders are not the same.

 

Your Capital One cards will reach a ceiling. Then CapOne will start sending you CLI Decline reasons letters like "not enough usage" "payments too small", but they won't give you a CLI after a certain level, full stop.

Barclays likely can get you a SP CLI.

Merrick, Walmart, and JCP, ok, they look like they're about there.

Lowes gets crazy sometimes, but you are almost maxed on that one as well.

 

Other banks will have slightly different pathways to get to CLI. Usage isn't mandatory, though on a low limit card high utilization percentages are unavoidable. HP are common on several of those other banks, SP CLI are extremely rare. AMEX and Discover SP and relatively easy CLI almost without regard to usage.


It was pretty much a general question. Looking at my cards, most of the Cap1 cards get a lot of use. Especally the two that I was approved for in January. They seem to be pretty good with CLIs. $1K-$3K every 6 months.

 

Walmart, JCP and Lowes all get some use and have been growing nicely. I'm going to see how far I can take Lowes. There are months when they don't get any use and months when I'll run a few hundred though them.

 

My Barclay Rewards is sometimes my "go to" card for a few months then I switch over to a Cap 1 card. The Barclay Apple card gets some use. I favor that when I make purchases from Apple. They were growing but I haven't seen much from them in the last year.

 

And then there is Merrick. That's an old rebuilder card that probably won't grow. I've pushed it very close to the limit and gave it decent use to see if they would give me an increase but it's stuck at $1600. It now spends most of it's time in my car. It's there in case I leave the house without my wallet. I did that once so now I'm prepared. 

 

What is Cap 1's ceiling? I'm going to guess it's around $25K? I'd like to get their combination feature to work for me so I can combine some of my cards and get a limit close to $50K. That's probably the only way a person can get a very high limit with them. 

EQ - 698 / TU - 672 / EX - 686

Capital One Savor - $16000 / Capital One Venture - $13000 / Travel Advantage Visa - $11500 / TD Cash Card - $7500 / Bread Rewards AMEX - $6950 / Apple Card - $6500 / TD Double Up - $5500 / Mercury - $5000 / Ally Master Card - $4300 / DCU Visa - $3000 / Capital One QuickSilver - $500
$79,750
DCU Auto Loan
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Justifying a CLI with low usage?

The Capital One Ceiling reference is for each particular card. There seems to be a trend where cards issued at a certain score are assigned a possible maximum credit line, and don't go above that. The line is not defined, it is not a specific number everywhere and always, but the cardholder can try many times to get a CLI, get all manner of senseless reason letters, and not get a CLI. Then app a new Capital One card, and get a CL that is multiples of the existing card credit line.

 

My $10k CapOne, I tried mulitiple times in 2014 and 2015 to get a CLI. Loaded BT on it to try to show balance usage. Made payments to rapidly pay down those BT items. "Usage is not high enough", "Payments are not large enough". Apped the Venture and got a $30k CL instapproval.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Justifying a CLI with low usage?

What do you think Capital One's ceiling is? I am at $29,450 with them, but want my QS1 increased still...

 

If this is relavent:

QS 10k

Venture 15k

QS1 4.25k

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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Justifying a CLI with low usage?

I just rotate my usage to whichever card I am working on an increase next.  Worked for amex, citi, and BOA for me.  Cap1, not so much!  Then again it started out with a 1k limit in credit steps and is at 25.24% apr.

 

discover I have experienced they dont really care much about extreme usage.  They do like BTs though!  Same with citi and boa.

 

 

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masscredit
Senior Contributor

Re: Justifying a CLI with low usage?


@NRB525 wrote:

The Capital One Ceiling reference is for each particular card. There seems to be a trend where cards issued at a certain score are assigned a possible maximum credit line, and don't go above that. The line is not defined, it is not a specific number everywhere and always, but the cardholder can try many times to get a CLI, get all manner of senseless reason letters, and not get a CLI. Then app a new Capital One card, and get a CL that is multiples of the existing card credit line.

 

My $10k CapOne, I tried mulitiple times in 2014 and 2015 to get a CLI. Loaded BT on it to try to show balance usage. Made payments to rapidly pay down those BT items. "Usage is not high enough", "Payments are not large enough". Apped the Venture and got a $30k CL instapproval.


I've noticed that with my older Cap 1 cards. Their limits have slowly increased while the new ones have started higher than those limits.  If I use my other cards during the month, I'll BT to a Cap 1 card to show greater usage all around. Most of them have no fee BTs. I don't do it if there is a fee.

EQ - 698 / TU - 672 / EX - 686

Capital One Savor - $16000 / Capital One Venture - $13000 / Travel Advantage Visa - $11500 / TD Cash Card - $7500 / Bread Rewards AMEX - $6950 / Apple Card - $6500 / TD Double Up - $5500 / Mercury - $5000 / Ally Master Card - $4300 / DCU Visa - $3000 / Capital One QuickSilver - $500
$79,750
DCU Auto Loan
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Anonymous
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Re: Justifying a CLI with low usage?


@masscredit wrote:

 When it comes to manual reviews by a human, how are they different from a computer spitting out an answer?  


They are different because humans have emotions... A computer does not care, if you meet guidelines, you meet them. A human when given choices can let their emotions play into the decision. Unless the human is told they cannot deny someone if xxx is met then there is always the possibility of "They do not need anymore credit" where a computer does not think like that.

 

With that said, if the computer is programmed to take "need" into account then it all depends on the lenders programming of what "need" is

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red259
Super Contributor

Re: Justifying a CLI with low usage?


@Anonymous wrote:

@masscredit wrote:

Many of us want to see our limits keep increasing over time and some credit card companies are known for being generous.  But what about when you have a decent limit (say $10K-$15K) but don't use the card that much? You might run a few hundred through it once in awhile. I know they don't ask why you want an increase but is the person on the other end of the line looking at the screen and wondering why someone wants a higher limit when they don't even use 10% of what they have?  Or do they just plug in the numbers and give a "yes" or "no" based on your credit? 


I think it depends if a computer or a real person is doing the evaluation. If it's a computer analysis program, consistent low utilization is a marker of responsible credit use, which generally would lead to credit limit increases being approved. If it's a real person making the decisions, they're much more likely to ask questions before increasing a limit.


Sometimes this is true, but I have seen computers like cap 1 where I am pretty sure it looks at how much credit I have been using and denys me based on that, but when I am using a lot of credit I get approved. 

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Starting Score: EQ: 714, TU 684
Current Score: EQ: 725 7/30/13, TU 684 6/2013, Exp 828 5/2018, Last App 8/5/17
Goal Score: 800 (Achieved!) In garden until Sepetember 2019
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UncleB
Credit Mentor

Re: Justifying a CLI with low usage?


@Anonymous wrote:

What do you think Capital One's ceiling is? I am at $29,450 with them, but want my QS1 increased still...

 

If this is relavent:

QS 10k

Venture 15k

QS1 4.25k


To give you a direct answer, IIRC I've seen an approval for a new account with a credit line of $60k.  I know for certain I've seen more than one approval for a new account with a SL of $50k... others might have seen larger.  Note that these are new account approvals, not a combination of two existing accounts.

 

Capital One can be very generous if the overall profile supports it.  Also note that for the really big approvals it's not unheard of for Capital One to require verification before final approval, although I believe at least one of the $50k approvals might (?) have been an auto-approval, so if you're a 'high-roller' YMMV.

 

Capital One seems to be one of the few issuers that makes an effort to have something for everybody.  Smiley Wink

 

 

Edited to add:  Disclaimer - I realize not everyone's a fan, I'm just stating that product-wise they cover all markets.  Smiley Wink

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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Justifying a CLI with low usage?


@NRB525 wrote:

The Capital One Ceiling reference is for each particular card. There seems to be a trend where cards issued at a certain score are assigned a possible maximum credit line, and don't go above that. The line is not defined, it is not a specific number everywhere and always, but the cardholder can try many times to get a CLI, get all manner of senseless reason letters, and not get a CLI. Then app a new Capital One card, and get a CL that is multiples of the existing card credit line.

 

My $10k CapOne, I tried mulitiple times in 2014 and 2015 to get a CLI. Loaded BT on it to try to show balance usage. Made payments to rapidly pay down those BT items. "Usage is not high enough", "Payments are not large enough". Apped the Venture and got a $30k CL instapproval.


Wow.... this is good to know.  

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