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Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage

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Gmood1
Super Contributor

Re: Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage


@Skymogul wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I'm actually surprised more mortgage providers don't accept credit cards.  I get it that there are fees associated with these transactions, but if they pass the fees on to the account holder what's the big deal?  


It's a sign you're in a debt spiral. If you need to make a mortgage payment on a credit card, you've already shifted all possible household expenses to credit just in order to make your debt payments. If you "need" to do this, you are in over your head.


LOL..well I'm in some serious trouble.Smiley Tongue

I use it to boost my CC usage and put some spending traffic through my CC's. It has really helped with CLI's IMO. Plus I don't have to spend out of my budget in order to show usage.

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dragontears
Senior Contributor

Re: Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage

I think the key word in Skymogul's post is "need".
Do you "need" to use a cc to pay your mortgage for rewards? No, it is a "want"
Do you "need" to use a cc to pay your mortgage to "show usage to get CLI"? No, it is a "want"
Do you "need" to use a cc to pay your mortgage if you didn't have the money in your bank to pay it? This is what is bad, paying debt with debt.
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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage

Thanks for all the replies. It looks like the process will involve far too much. I wanted to just be able to use autopay but it's not an option.

I don't need to use my CC to pay my mortgage, but I would have loved to have the additional $1000 a year in cash back it would have given me 😀
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage


@Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for all the replies. It looks like the process will involve far too much. I wanted to just be able to use autopay but it's not an option.

I don't need to use my CC to pay my mortgage, but I would have loved to have the additional $1000 a year in cash back it would have given me 😀

You pay $66,000 in mortgage payments in a year?

 

If you paid your mortgage through a website, you are looking at about $1,320 in fees for the year. But hey, it's $1,000 cash back, right? Smiley Happy

 

Full disclosure I have paid at least half a dozen mortgage payments with credit cards, so I do not discourage anyone from doing so, just be clear how much you will pay in fees to do so, and make the conscious choice that it is OK to pay the fees.

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April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
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Anonymous
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Re: Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage

Closer to $51,000 when I include insurance & HOA dues. However, as I stated in my previous post, it would be too much of a hassle even before considering any fees that might be assessed if I paid with a CC.
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Anonymous
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Re: Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage


@Anonymous wrote:

I'm actually surprised more mortgage providers don't accept credit cards.  I get it that there are fees associated with these transactions, but if they pass the fees on to the account holder what's the big deal?  I always thought it could only be a good think for the mortgage lender, as it gives the account holder another means to pay their bill.  In a month where cash flow may be extremely tight, would the lender rather get paid or not get paid?  If the answer is get paid (which it always is) you'd think they'd want to provide as many ways to the customer as possible to increase the probability of them paying on time. 


Credit card payments are also subject to reversal, a cardmember can dispute the charge and hold things up.   There are also costs involved in passing on the fee on (you need to get the user to agree that they understand, your CSRs need to be trained etc).  And also there are state differences into whether you can charge extra for using a cc.   So my guess is that the companies don't think any potential benefit outweighs the costs, they can always charge a late fee anyway!

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fliphusker
Contributor

Re: Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage


@Anonymous wrote:
Closer to $51,000 when I include insurance & HOA dues. However, as I stated in my previous post, it would be too much of a hassle even before considering any fees that might be assessed if I paid with a CC.

My house is paid off, but I assume like many others that there will be fees that go over what you would get back in rewards. I could put my taxes on my CC but I would lose $4 on my CDC by doing so.

But what I notice that many do not do is pay their insurance via CC and roll it into their payments. (Easier to deal with.) I am with Amica and I get a break by autopay each month, which I gladly pay with my CDC. I will take my free $30/year in cash back for a bill I have to pay anyway. Smiley Happy 

Not sure if your bank would even let you without boosting your interest rate, but worth checking into.

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CreditInspired
Super Contributor

Re: Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage


@Gmood1 wrote:

@Skymogul wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I'm actually surprised more mortgage providers don't accept credit cards.  I get it that there are fees associated with these transactions, but if they pass the fees on to the account holder what's the big deal?  


It's a sign you're in a debt spiral. If you need to make a mortgage payment on a credit card, you've already shifted all possible household expenses to credit just in order to make your debt payments. If you "need" to do this, you are in over your head.


LOL..well I'm in some serious trouble.Smiley Tongue

I use it to boost my CC usage and put some spending traffic through my CC's. It has really helped with CLI's IMO. Plus I don't have to spend out of my budget in order to show usage.


+100

 


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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage


@CreditInspired wrote:

@Gmood1 wrote:

@Skymogul wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I'm actually surprised more mortgage providers don't accept credit cards.  I get it that there are fees associated with these transactions, but if they pass the fees on to the account holder what's the big deal?  


It's a sign you're in a debt spiral. If you need to make a mortgage payment on a credit card, you've already shifted all possible household expenses to credit just in order to make your debt payments. If you "need" to do this, you are in over your head.


LOL..well I'm in some serious trouble.Smiley Tongue

I use it to boost my CC usage and put some spending traffic through my CC's. It has really helped with CLI's IMO. Plus I don't have to spend out of my budget in order to show usage.


+100

 


Except that you are spending outside your budget. A mortgage payment should be expected to be a cash payment directly from a checking or savings account, with cash on hand, with no extra fees involved. That is ( should be ) your basis for your budget.

 

By using a credit card, you introduce a non-necessary fee to complete that transaction, that fee is spending outside your budget.

 

Now, on a decent rewards card, it usually works out to a wash; the rewards compensate for some of, may be almost equal to, the fee for paying the mortgage. So it looks like one is building rewards, but to be honest it's just pre-paying the rewards you get back later.

 

Again, my point is not to say "do not ever pay a mortgage with a credit card" since I have done it numerous times. The point is to be clear about the fees involved and understand that you are paying extra for this service.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Gmood1
Super Contributor

Re: Maximizing Cash Back = 90% CL usage

I have no extra cost incurred while paying with a CC. The service cost me 1.75% and I use a 2% cash back card( Citi DC) for the transaction. It doesn't cost me a dime to do it. So it's not outside of my budget.

Some folks were using the Citi AT&T for 3x or the Chase C$R. Both have been recoded not to give 3x points. For some reason they were processing as travel expenses. I'm not sure if Visa works with the service anymore. 

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