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brbmake
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This is a game with rules I don't understand

First off, I want to say thank you to everyone here. I have asked a couple questions already and everyone has been so kind in answering.  :-)

 

I am looking for a game plan . Here is where I (and Hubby) am with life: married at 18 (18 years ago now), 3 kids, one of them in college.  We were very young and dumb with credit in our early years, but have finally gotten a lot better and need a game plan for our lives.  HAHA, nothing big, right? Anyway, we have 3 credit cards between us. (2 that are just mine, one that is joint). His credit score is 703 and mine is 680 according to credit karma.  We have nothing bad on our credit report other than high utilization (like 68%).  We have a plan in place to get those 3 cards paid off by January.  My real question is what is the next move in the game? Let me bullet point for you guys.

 

What do we do now? What do we do when our cards are paid down?

 

We want to buy a house within the next 18 months. First time home buyers.

 

We have a car loan right now (USAA) that has 3 years left on it. High interest rate of 6.99% because our credit was not great when we got it, but we have never missed or been late on a payment.

 

We will need a new car to replace our second car within 2 years.

 

Should I add hubby as a user to my cards (mine are older than our joint)? Will that help his credit? Should he get another card? 

 

We also want to start traveling, and someone said that you can get a card for travel rewards on another post I made. (this is how new I am, I have no idea how this works)

 

Thanks for all the help directing my life!!! :-)

 

Cards we have now: Capital one QS (me) $4000 CL, $3000 balance, Cap1 Platinum (me) $6000 CL, $4000 balance, USAA rewards (joint) $7200 CL, $3500 balance

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Anonymous
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Re: This is a game with rules I don't understand

If you want to get into travel rewards the easiest card to use is Barclay Arrival+.  They give you 50,000 points if you spend 3k in 3 months and 2 percent back for all spending.   So you would have 56000 points availabe if you meet the spending bonus.  They allow you to use it for any type of travel reimbursment in last 120 days.  So for example if you have air fare or hotel showing up on your activitiy in the last 120 days just select the charge and you would get a 550 dollar credit with that spending. If your husbands 703 is a FICO 8 on Transunion he most likely could get that card.

 

Also there are airline specific.  For example, we just signed up for Southwest Chase Card.  And it gives you 60,000 Southwest points if you spend 2k in 2 months.  That is actually 62000 Southwest points as you get a point a mile.  Comes with a 69 dollar fee.  But as Southwest points are worth more than a dollar a point you get quite a bit of bang for your spending.

 

Chase Saphire Preferred seems like a verry good card but I don't have that. 

 

I have Amex cards but those are more complicated.  There are also hotel cards that give big sign up bonuses.  

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HeavenOhio
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Re: This is a game with rules I don't understand

Just to make sure our terms are straight, you're saying that your USAA account is a joint account rather than one of you "owning" the card and the spouse being an authorized user? I ask because we don't see a lot of true joint accounts around here.

 

It's best not to apply for any new credit in the 12 months preceding a mortgage. You still have time for a new card in the next few months, but your utilization is high and should be brought down before applying.

 

Assuming that you have a true joint account, I think the fastest way to be ready to apply for a new card might be to bring the USAA card to somewhere under 28.9% of its limit. At that point, hubby should be the one to apply for the new card because his utilization would be in check.

 

Hopefully, the new car can wait until the mortgage is signed, sealed, and delivered. Because there's likely to be a credit pull on the closing date, never apply for credit between the time of the mortgage application and the time it closes.

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simplynoir
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Re: This is a game with rules I don't understand

I think the first order of business is for you (and perhaps DH as well) to get your true FICO 08 scores. Don't rely on Credit Karma since those are Vantage scores that hardly anyone uses. This servers a couple of purposes: it will show all open credit lines and the balances as they are currently reported, allow you to see any possible hidden surprises you may not be aware of like an old derog that hasn't fallen of yet, provide AAoA and other useful tidbits, and show your scores that most lenders use when trying to apply for new credit.

 

For time being I would go ahead and use CCT (Credit Check Total) and for $1 get your scores with the trial membership; just make sure to cancel it before it expires so you're not billed the full amount. Then perhaps once your family gets closer to buying a home get MyFICO scoring since they include mortgage scores to see where you sit once the balances go down and any new credit you get will get taken into account.

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brbmake
Established Member

Re: This is a game with rules I don't understand

Just to make sure our terms are straight, you're saying that your USAA account is a joint account rather than one of you "owning" the card and the spouse being an authorized user? I ask because we don't see a lot of true joint accounts around here.

 

Wow. DIdn't know this either. Maybe it is mine? He mentioned the other day that when he logs in, he can see the balance, but not charges, so maybe it's mine? We got it about 2 years ago and we both have cards, so I am not sure "who's" it is.

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MrDisco99
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Re: This is a game with rules I don't understand

My advice, as an internet stranger so it's probably not worth a whole lot, but take it for what it is...

 

You need to focus your energy right now on paying those balances down.  That utilization is your biggest obstacle right now.  I wouldn't worry about applying for anything (cards, mortgage, whatever) until you take care of that.

 

You also don't want any new credit when you apply for a mortgage.  If you're serious about buying a home next year, then you need to stay in the garden until then.  Focus on paying down your balances and keep making your card and loan payments on time.  Watch your scores go up as you do.  Once you get that utilization down to near 0% you may want to start looking into that mortgage.  Don't apply for any new credit until you get it.

 

Get an INDEPENDENT mortgage broker to pull your credit and shop around for you.  He'll tell you if there's anything you need to do to tweak your score.  Do whatever he says.

 

Once you get the house out of the way, then you can work on optimizing your card portfolio and getting rewards for good budgeting and all that.

Travel comes after you've "made it."

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brbmake
Established Member

Re: This is a game with rules I don't understand


@MrDisco99 wrote:

My advice, as an internet stranger so it's probably not worth a whole lot, but take it for what it is...

 

You need to focus your energy right now on paying those balances down.  That utilization is your biggest obstacle right now.  I wouldn't worry about applying for anything (cards, mortgage, whatever) until you take care of that.

 

You also don't want any new credit when you apply for a mortgage.  If you're serious about buying a home next year, then you need to stay in the garden until then.  Focus on paying down your balances and keep making your card and loan payments on time.  Watch your scores go up as you do.  Once you get that utilization down to near 0% you may want to start looking into that mortgage.  Don't apply for any new credit until you get it.

 

Get an INDEPENDENT mortgage broker to pull your credit and shop around for you.  He'll tell you if there's anything you need to do to tweak your score.  Do whatever he says.

 

Once you get the house out of the way, then you can work on optimizing your card portfolio and getting rewards for good budgeting and all that.

Travel comes after you've "made it."


Thanks so much! That is what we've been thinking, but since I am so new to this, I wanted to check.  What about adding him as an authorized user to my cards? Since I have had them about 2-3 years longer than he has had his, would that help him? Should we wait until my utilization is down before adding him? Would it be considered "new" to him if I already have the cards?

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K-in-Boston
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Re: This is a game with rules I don't understand

You know, I replied to your "why so many" post and forgot to welcome you aboard.  So, welcome!  I'll tackle a few things for you.

 

First, while Credit Karma is great for tracking trends and changes in your credit, the scores it gives you are Vantage 3.0 which are not actual FICO scores.  For some people they are in the ballpark of their FICO 08 model scores (the ones used by most lenders), for others (usually with limited or spotty credit) they can be significantly higher, and for people with thick, clean credit files they can be as much as 100-110 points lower than actual FICO 08 scores!  I'm in that last group - I can qualify for pretty much anything I want, but Credit Karma thinks I may be better off with a secured credit card to establish credit or by getting a high interest, high annual fee card from a predatory lender like Credit One.  It is very important to know where your scores actually stand.  You can get a huge number of scores from this very site (although it is admittedly pricey).  Many people suggest using Credit Check Total which offers a $1 trial and gives you all three FICO 08 scores (I actually have a running subscription with them - if you call to cancel, their automated system will actually offer you 50% off so it's $15 a month - not bad for monthly FICO 08 scores from Equifax and TransUnion, daily Experian scores and credit monitoring alerts for all 3).  There are also some free options available.  creditscorecard.com is run by Discover and gives you a free Experian FICO 08 score monthly.  If you have an iPhone, there is an app called Lenny that gives you a free monthly Equifax FICO 08 score (it may take as long as a month before your first score appears).  Many lenders also give regular credit scores.  I am not sure if or which one USAA does, and CapOne is a Vantage 3.0 score like Credit Karma.

 

As the USAA is the joint account, until you get the CapOne cards paid down I would not add him as an authorized user yet as his utilization is just under 49% (still high but not as high as yours).  Can you tell us the opening dates (month/year) of the cards?  Any annual fees on the Capital One cards?  How soon do you think you will be able to pay down the CapOne cards to under 29% (I know you stated January for all 3)?  If it were me, I would pay those down first then add him as an authorized user so that he gets the account ages and payment history on his reports - then once you have the newest one paid off, plan to combine the limit into the oldest card (and if the Platinum is the oldest, do a product change to either Quicksilver or Venture One first) at a later date, but make sure that before you do that you have acquired at least 1 additional revolving credit card, which I would not apply for until your overall utilization in under 29% and I would not do within a year of getting a mortgage.  Also, have you requested credit line increases on both Capital One cards?  There is no harm in asking as it would be a soft pull, and if they do grant them that would greatly help your utilization right now.

 

Can I assume that if you are able to be USAA members that you also qualify for Navy Federal Credit Union?  If so, I would make joining a part of my plans at least 12 months before buying the house.  With your auto loan, I would probably make that a priority to do now even with less than perfect credit (I know you have nothing bad, just thin files with high util) as it'll save you a ton of money on not just the loan, but also on interest if you can pay your cards down faster.  Navy should be able to drastically lower your auto loan (and Pentagon Federal Credit Union would be even lower, but not sure if you want to open a ton of new accounts now).

 

Other than that, I wouldn't get too crazy with opening new accounts if a mortgage is in your near future.  Just my $0.02

 

Also since you mention USAA, are you and/or your husband veterans by chance?  If so, a VA mortgage is going to be the way to go and you both likely already qualify for the lowest rate so I would change a few things in my advice.

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simplynoir
Mega Contributor

Re: This is a game with rules I don't understand


@brbmake wrote:

Wow. DIdn't know this either. Maybe it is mine? He mentioned the other day that when he logs in, he can see the balance, but not charges, so maybe it's mine? We got it about 2 years ago and we both have cards, so I am not sure "who's" it is.


Checking your credit reports should clear that issue up.

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brbmake
Established Member

Re: This is a game with rules I don't understand


@K-in-Boston wrote:

You know, I replied to your "why so many" post and forgot to welcome you aboard.  So, welcome!  I'll tackle a few things for you.

 

First, while Credit Karma is great for tracking trends and changes in your credit, the scores it gives you are Vantage 3.0 which are not actual FICO scores.  For some people they are in the ballpark of their FICO 08 model scores (the ones used by most lenders), for others (usually with limited or spotty credit) they can be significantly higher, and for people with thick, clean credit files they can be as much as 100-110 points lower than actual FICO 08 scores!  I'm in that last group - I can qualify for pretty much anything I want, but Credit Karma thinks I may be better off with a secured credit card to establish credit or by getting a high interest, high annual fee card from a predatory lender like Credit One.  It is very important to know where your scores actually stand.  You can get a huge number of scores from this very site (although it is admittedly pricey).  Many people suggest using Credit Check Total which offers a $1 trial and gives you all three FICO 08 scores (I actually have a running subscription with them - if you call to cancel, their automated system will actually offer you 50% off so it's $15 a month - not bad for monthly FICO 08 scores from Equifax and TransUnion, daily Experian scores and credit monitoring alerts for all 3).  There are also some free options available.  creditscorecard.com is run by Discover and gives you a free Experian FICO 08 score monthly.  If you have an iPhone, there is an app called Lenny that gives you a free monthly Equifax FICO 08 score (it may take as long as a month before your first score appears).  Many lenders also give regular credit scores.  I am not sure if or which one USAA does, and CapOne is a Vantage 3.0 score like Credit Karma.

 

As the USAA is the joint account, until you get the CapOne cards paid down I would not add him as an authorized user yet as his utilization is just under 49% (still high but not as high as yours).  Can you tell us the opening dates (month/year) of the cards?  Any annual fees on the Capital One cards?  How soon do you think you will be able to pay down the CapOne cards to under 29% (I know you stated January for all 3)?  If it were me, I would pay those down first then add him as an authorized user so that he gets the account ages and payment history on his reports - then once you have the newest one paid off, plan to combine the limit into the oldest card (and if the Platinum is the oldest, do a product change to either Quicksilver or Venture One first) at a later date, but make sure that before you do that you have acquired at least 1 additional revolving credit card, which I would not apply for until your overall utilization in under 29% and I would not do within a year of getting a mortgage.  Also, have you requested credit line increases on both Capital One cards?  There is no harm in asking as it would be a soft pull, and if they do grant them that would greatly help your utilization right now.

 

I got the Cap1 platinum Oct/2014, and the QS Nov 2015. They sent an email about a month or so ago that I could update our income to have a CL increase, but I didn't know if that was a good idea or not, so we didn't.  We do make about $50,000 more per year than we did in 2014. 

 

Can I assume that if you are able to be USAA members that you also qualify for Navy Federal Credit Union?  If so, I would make joining a part of my plans at least 12 months before buying the house.  With your auto loan, I would probably make that a priority to do now even with less than perfect credit (I know you have nothing bad, just thin files with high util) as it'll save you a ton of money on not just the loan, but also on interest if you can pay your cards down faster.  Navy should be able to drastically lower your auto loan (and Pentagon Federal Credit Union would be even lower, but not sure if you want to open a ton of new accounts now).

 

So, you think I should transfer my auto loan to someone with a better rate? Would that in it of itself be a new line of credit? 

 

Other than that, I wouldn't get too crazy with opening new accounts if a mortgage is in your near future.  Just my $0.02

 

Also since you mention USAA, are you and/or your husband veterans by chance?  If so, a VA mortgage is going to be the way to go and you both likely already qualify for the lowest rate so I would change a few things in my response

 

For USAA- we are not veterans.  My grandfather was and we have accounts because of him.  If we ever got rid of our USAA accounts, we could never get them back.  So, does that mean we could do Navy Federal? Not sure......

 

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