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Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open

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Brian_Earl_Spilner
Credit Mentor

Re: Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open


@sammydavidjr wrote:

@Brian_Earl_Spilner wrote:

Sooo...what happens when all the bitcoins are mined? 


BlockFi doesn't mine Bitcoin, they just buy it and give to people as cashback.

What I find insane about this credit card is the $200 annual fee. Unless there are unannounced perks, it makes a lot more sense to use a 2% cashback card with no annual fee (Paypal, Fidelity, etc.) and buy Bitcoin with the cashback than to use this BlockFi product.


There's still a finite amount and they would rely on there being enough sellers to provide the rewards. If there's nobody selling, there's no rewards to buy and give out. Once it's all been mined, what happens then? The rewards structure is at the mercy of those holding the coins. 

    
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sammydavidjr
Regular Contributor

Re: Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open


@Brian_Earl_Spilner wrote:

@sammydavidjr wrote:

@Brian_Earl_Spilner wrote:

Sooo...what happens when all the bitcoins are mined? 


BlockFi doesn't mine Bitcoin, they just buy it and give to people as cashback.

What I find insane about this credit card is the $200 annual fee. Unless there are unannounced perks, it makes a lot more sense to use a 2% cashback card with no annual fee (Paypal, Fidelity, etc.) and buy Bitcoin with the cashback than to use this BlockFi product.


There's still a finite amount and they would rely on there being enough sellers to provide the rewards. If there's nobody selling, there's no rewards to buy and give out. Once it's all been mined, what happens then? The rewards structure is at the mercy of those holding the coins. 


People routinely sell Bitcoin that they haven't mined (most of Bitcoin that is traded every day is not mined by the ones trading it). When there is none left to mine the value of Bitcoin might go up, but BlockFi won't care: they will simply buy as much as they can buy for the USD equivalent of your 1.5% cashback. The cashback is in USD and converted to Bitcoin -- BlockFi are not committing to a minimum amount of Bitcoin.
It's not like banks that give fiat cashback need the Fed to print more dollars every time that they pay out cashback.

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Anonymous
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Re: Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open

So, a $200 annual fee, and they pay you back in fake coin? Huh? I could just buy $200 of bitcoin I guess, then use my 2% PayPal Mastercard cashback to buy 2% bitcoin instead of 1.5%. Not sure why I would want bitcoin in the first place though.

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Anonymous
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Re: Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open

Btc at 4k was as good as low as it will ever go. Its the best return on investment. 100%.

Banks are moving to btc to stay relevant.

Js

1.5% btc is great just hold for 2-5 years. For max profit 

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Anonymous
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Re: Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open


@Anonymous wrote:

Btc at 4k was as good as low as it will ever go. Its the best return on investment. 100%.

Banks are moving to btc to stay relevant.

Js

1.5% btc is great just hold for 2-5 years. For max profit 


I mean even if you really wanted bitcoin, you could use a 2% cashback card with no annual fee and then just buy bitcoin with the 2% cashback.

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KJinNC
Valued Contributor

Re: Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open

There are numerous products, not just credit cards but in every industry, where you could do extra work or planning yourself and come out ahead of using that product. One example that comes to mind is, I have a motorcycle. I have an insurance policy on it. However, I could instead simply either fix the motorcycle from savings, or let it stay broken until I can afford to fix it. In my case, it's a pleasure vehicle that I do not rely on for work etc. Knowing that insurance companies normally take in more revenue than they pay out, and thus that I am likely to pay more on premiums than I recoup in repair costs, why do I have this policy? Just to make life a little easier.

Unless this card has major perks aside from the 1.5% bitcoin thing, I do not think a $200 annual fee, or any annual fee, is warranted. But otherwise, I can definitely see the appeal of using this card, instead of taking the other steps involved to invest 2% cash back in bitcoin.



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Anonymous
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Re: Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open

Btc is at 19k... not going to 0...
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imaximous
Valued Contributor

Re: Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open

Aside from the value of Bitcoin, this card offers nothing enticing to me. It doesn't matter what you get paid on, gold, diamonds, etc. It's still 1.5% back. As mentioned before, other cards offer a better return, which could be used to buy Bitcoin and without the AF. 

In a similar fashion, this is like using an airline card at 1x where you could use a transferable points card that earns you higher rewards, and then transfer the points to said airline. Unless there are additional benefits for charging on it, I wouldn't use it at all and maybe only keep it for the perks. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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K-in-Boston
Credit Mentor

Re: Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open


@Anonymous wrote:
Btc is at 19k... not going to 0...

It could, however, but more likely can plummet as it frequently does.  There have been numerous huge losses in value just in the past few years, and it's been at $20k in the past only to lose 80% of its value in a heartbeat.

 

While BTC may possibly be a good long term investment, the question posed by others in this thread is still a very good one: why would one pay a large annual fee to earn 1.5% in rewards posted as BTC, rather than getting a no-AF 2% or higher card and then just purchase BTC?

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Anonymous
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Re: Waitlist for BlockFi credit card (issued by Evolve Bank) is now open

Does the card do anything to allow less tech savvy people to get in on bitcoin? I've read very little on crypto but I could see how having to figure out how to store it, how to exchange it, etc. could be intimidating. 

 

If the card allows for easy access to crypto without prior knowledge, maybe that's the draw? Probably not worth a $200 AF though, in my opinion

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