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I'll have to take the time and read over those links, much appreciated. This forum has been a great wealth of information.


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@ElvisCaprice wrote:
@ptatohed wrote:I'm not so sure I'd go through the trouble to actually request a CLD, but, conversely, I certainly won't be making any CLI requests any time soon.
All my limits more than cover my spend. Auto CLIs happen often, which is fine, but, for me, no need to actively request a CLI.
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CLD's are much simpler than CLI's. Some issuers you can do it online, automatic thru your account without even speaking to someone.
Understood, but I pretty much have the same same desire for requesting CLIs as I do CLDs which is, quite frankly, ............ ummm....... zero.
@markhs777 wrote:
@Aim_High wrote:
@markhs777 wrote:It certainly is up to the mods to determine what can or can't be discussed. However there is nothing illegal mentioned and unethical like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Ultimately it's up to creditors to determine how much they will put up with.
Nothing illegal, @markhs777, but without even spelling it out, the MS-referenced tactics are considered by lenders to be unethical violations of the rule or intentions of meeting SUB or rewards spending. Lenders have shut consumers down for such behavior. On My FICO, I've seen quite a few threads even going so far as to lightly reference it being cautioned by the moderators before the moderation change to Khoros.
I agree with you to a degree
The consumer should do what's best for her/him as long there is no specific verbiage that violates policy.
In my case I have a Verizon cell plan. I buy Verizon gift cards at a grocery store and get 4% cash back with my Verizon Visa while only paying $2 for the card. I pay a little less than the bill with the gift card while staying on auto pay saving an additional $10 a month. Sync has never said a word.
Just don't find anything shady about that since Verizon issues the gift cards so obviously you can only use them for Verizon.
Depending on the specific wording of your credit card agreement the gift card purchases may or may not technically qualify for the 4% back but using the gift cards to directly pay your Verizon bills isn't MS.
@ElvisCaprice wrote:
@markhs777 wrote:I agree with you to a degree
The consumer should do what's best for her/him as long there is no specific verbiage that violates policy.
In my case I have a Verizon cell plan. I buy Verizon gift cards at a grocery store and get 4% cash back with my Verizon Visa while only paying $2 for the card. I pay a little less than the bill with the gift card while staying on auto pay saving an additional $10 a month. Sync has never said a word.
Just don't find anything shady about that since Verizon issues the gift cards so obviously you can only use them for Verizon.
Which grocery store sells Verizon gift cards? Not prepaid, correct? Why is there an extra fee for the gift card? They are at cash value at Verizon, free shipping. You do know that you can pay your entire bill with a Verizon gift card, once billed, entirely, and not lose your auto pay savings. Gift Cards | Verizon
Did not know you could pay entire bill and not lose the the discount. Thx for that info.
There are a few independent bodegas that actually sell postpaid cards up to a 1k were I live part time and are coded as groceries stores, I will take your suggestion next time.
@ptatohedwrote:For me, I feel like an outsider around here when it comes to one thing - I can't seem to understand the maddening obsession with CLIs.
I think I know where you're coming from @ptatohed, and it's true that many of us do pursue and accept limits in excess of what we really "need" for most routine spending. I just posted about some of my rationale in message 10 in this thread if it might help you to better understand. I think maybe part of it has to do with the perception of what a high limit means. Some consumers might equate a high limit with potential high DEBT, which is true if it is abused. Some consumers might have had a problem being in debt in the past and prefer low limits to keep themselves in 'check' or maybe they are deterred by reading about the woes of others in large debt. Some consumers might not ever have heavy enough spending to warrant the higher limits, so precisely defining an exorbitant high limit is relative to the consumer and budget. While I had a prolonged period in the past where I had to carry some larger debts over an extended midlife career interruption, I don't equate high limits to that period. On the contrary, I see the limits as a more functional tool for my finances and as giving me more freedom in how I use them. And after that long period of indebtedness, with my FICO and limits suppressed, I supposed I see the higher limits creditors giving me now as a validation of recovery into a solid financial state. It shows my creditors trust me to use them responsibly, and I appreciate that trust.
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That other posting laid out my other reasoning to include:



























@ptatohed wrote:For me, I feel like an outsider around here when it comes to one thing - I can't seem to understand the maddening obsession with CLIs. With one exception (AOD, I'll explain), I've never, ever, ever, cared what my initial CL was, nor what I feel it 'should' grow to be..... so long as it's more than I'll ever need, which 98% of all my cc's have provided over the last 30+ years (except AOD, I'll explain). I actually don't understand why people list their CLs in their signatures. No offense, but why would I care? Most all of my cards have provided ample CL for my needed spend (except AOD, I'll explain
). Great. Why do I need to request a CLI? Why do I 'need' more CL? I don't!
So, one exception - AOD - at the time of application, I just wanted to be as low risk / under the radar as possible so I made the mistake of requesting the lowest CL available ($5k) and, at times (when the 3% was uncapped), it didn't cover all my spend, so I caved and asked for a CLI to $10k, granted. Perfect. I didn't need $15k, or $20k, $10k is just right.
I'm not so sure I'd go through the trouble to actually request a CLD, but, conversely, I certainly won't be making any CLI requests any time soon.
All my limits more than cover my spend. Auto CLIs happen often, which is fine, but, for me, no need to actively request a CLI.
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Consider your income, and how much you spend. Many people could have higher expenses and income. 10,000 to you could be a years bills, while for someone else that's a weeks bills.
With more income, comes bigger bills.









I think this is one of those topics where people are going to land all over the spectrum, and I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't request CLDs often but there have been times where it has proved worthwhile.
The most recent example is with Amex. I use Hilton Surpass for non-category and it sometimes sees large expenses. It had been at $10k and four CLI attempts over a two year period were all unsuccessful. Meanwhile, my BBP sat at $20k, a card I value and consider a definite keeper, but also one I put very little spend on; we're 2/3 of the way into 2024 and it has only seen ~$320 in spend. There is no way to transfer credit limits from business to personal with Amex, so I asked for the BBP to be reduced to $10k. I also closed BCE and transferred $8.9k from it to Surpass before it closed, then a smaller CLI request for $1.1k was approved to get the Surpass to $20k.
Different strokes for different folks of course, but the above ultimately worked well for me - yes I went from $40k in CL between three cards ($20k BBP, $10k Surpass, $10k BCE) to $30k in CL between two cards ($20k Surpass, $10k BBP), but this also paved the way for a $14.9k Delta Gold Business approval, which "completes" what I am looking for as far as Amex revolvers, and all at limits I am happy with.
A less involved example was Discover It, which started out at $9k and saw an auto-CLI to $10.8k. I like round numbers and asked for it to be decreased to $10k, as well as to be excluded from potential auto-CLIs. I'll never need $10k and certainly won't notice the $800. Was it silly to ask for the CLD? In several ways, yes. I get that. But I'm happy with it.
Whenever a thread like this comes around, at least a few people say one should never request a CLD. And I honestly don't think that's a bad answer - generally speaking, most people will not benefit from requesting a CLD, so the "default" should be to not request them - but it is an incomplete answer, avoiding nuance and personal reasoning. While both examples involved a different approach and reasoning, I am happy with both CLDs, and that matters.
Something occurred to me that I wanted to clarify. I have asked for CLD before, but it was transfer credit between accounts with a lender, not to reduce my Total Credit Line with that lender. So while that is technically asking for a CLD, it's more about the transfer and balancing limits where I see fit. I've done that (and it's an easy process) with Chase, BofA, and AMEX for examples.



























@ElvisCaprice wrote:I've been playing with requesting credit line decreases over the past two years and have found that it has not hindered my credit score or ability to acquire new CC's. Reasoning: I had been denied a new CC due to the fact the issuer felt I was at or exceeded my overall existing credit they felt comfortable with, total or within the issuers family. ,
By requesting CLD's I have made room for adding additional CC's, especially within a single issuer.
I appreciated this post. I have a business card that was given a Starting Limit of twice the credit limit I wanted or even needed. I have considered it a liability, and it also made them deny CLIs for over-exposure on a personal card I have with them.
After I had scanned your post I decided it was the right time to call and had that limit cut in half.
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"I think 23.5k on < $10 every 3 months is all that is needed."
Careful with that .0426% UTI !
Late to the party.
Have lowered a few CL's over the years.
I am in the later years of my credit journey, retired more than 16 years and financially secure.
I can't see a good reason for massive CL's for cards that get keep alive spend.
Lowered all my sock drawer cards down to 20k each.
Have a CU with zero rewards, no cash advance fee, and no BT Fee's.
Don't use the card for BT's or cash advance.
It lives in a CC file is in the sock drawer.
I keep it for one reason, it is 35+ years old.
It gets $5-$10 every 3-4 months, period.
It grew to $60,000 with keep alive spend.
Have not used the card for real charges for 25+ years
I CL decreased to $20,000, and last year they gave me an
unrequested additional $3,500.
So much for high spend being required.
I can't even get places to stop giving increases. ![]()
I think 23.5k on < $10 every 3 months is all that is needed. ![]()