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Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?

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redpat
Senior Contributor

Re: Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?


@K-in-Boston wrote:

I don't dare calculate what I spend on dining, but I spend at least $2500 a year just at Dunkin' Donuts.  Smiley Embarassed


+1 and other 1k at 5bucks.....

Personal Cards: Amex Delta Res | CSR | Citi AA Exec Business Cards: Ink+ | Amex BBP
Message 21 of 54
K-in-Boston
Epic Contributor

Re: Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?


@wasCB14 wrote:

@TheBoondocks wrote:

I heard that you can also transfer indirectly, so I know with Virgin Atlantic, you could transfer to IHG at 1:1, if you do it directly than the fees will be charged. I don't know why they do it but everybody have to make money lol.


A couple things here...

 

MRs do not transfer to IHG. URs do but it's a poor value.

 

IHG points do transfer to Virgin Atlantic, but 10k IHG gives only 2k Virgin Atlantic.

 

I don't know if Virgin Atlantic transfers to IHG, but if it's 1:1 it seems wasteful.

 

URs and MRs both transfer to Virgin Atlantic directly. Since it's a British airline, neither Amex nor Chase pays an excise tax, so there's no tax for Amex to pass on to customers.

 

And there's no tax for transfers to hotels. And even if IHG was an airline, it's British and not domestic, so there would be no tax.


I am not aware of any airlines that allow you to transfer to hotels. Usually airlines are the end of the road for transfers. Most hotels do allow you to transfer to airlines though Marriott/SPG are the only ones that I can think of where this is even remotely a good idea. Thinking Hilton’s 10:1 ratio for example. 

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CreditCuriosity
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?

Agee 2500-3500k is chump change on dining some months I do that on dining/booze although typical month is probably more-so around 1000-1500

Message 23 of 54
wasCB14
Super Contributor

Re: Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?


@redpat wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@wasCB14 wrote:

CSR doesn't give rewards on the $300 anymore, so it's more like $75 more...but by the time you've even met minimum spend the difference is small.

 

And if you don't put much travel/dining spend on it, there's not much reason to cool off the bonus chasing to get either Sapphire card.


I spend a ton on dining every year (talking at least $3,000)... Way too much to be honest. Travel spending would be moderate but not as much as frequent travelers. I'd use miles and hotel points, but they may not cover the cost of an entire trip. I think I'd get a UR mostly for Hyatt points... I love their hotels and the earning rate would be better than the actual Hyatt cards themselves, and then the free nights aren't exactly a ton of points either for what you earn on Chase cards. 


MDV, you are just a pup w/ 3k annually, try personal & biz between 18k - 20k, lol!


Ageed, that's not a lot of travel or dining spend.

 

The earn rate of CSP isn't that much better than the new Hyatt card:

CSP: 2x on dining and a very broad travel category

Hyatt: 4x at Hyatt, 2x on dining and airfare/taxis/mass transit/tolls...gyms, too.

 

Plus Hyatt has a 60k bonus and a renewal night.

 

So maybe just go for the cobrand card? I don't know if it's Silly/24-friendly, though.

Personal spend: Amex Gold, Amex Schwab Plat., BofA PR+CCR(x2), Costco
Business use: Amex Bus. Plat., BBP, Lowes Amex AU, CFU AU
Perks: Delta Plat., United Explorer, IHG49, Hyatt, "Old SPG"
Mostly SD: Freedom Flex, Freedom, Arrival
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Message 24 of 54
wasCB14
Super Contributor

Re: Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?


@K-in-Boston wrote:

@wasCB14 wrote:

@TheBoondocks wrote:

I heard that you can also transfer indirectly, so I know with Virgin Atlantic, you could transfer to IHG at 1:1, if you do it directly than the fees will be charged. I don't know why they do it but everybody have to make money lol.


A couple things here...

 

MRs do not transfer to IHG. URs do but it's a poor value.

 

IHG points do transfer to Virgin Atlantic, but 10k IHG gives only 2k Virgin Atlantic.

 

I don't know if Virgin Atlantic transfers to IHG, but if it's 1:1 it seems wasteful.

 

URs and MRs both transfer to Virgin Atlantic directly. Since it's a British airline, neither Amex nor Chase pays an excise tax, so there's no tax for Amex to pass on to customers.

 

And there's no tax for transfers to hotels. And even if IHG was an airline, it's British and not domestic, so there would be no tax.


I am not aware of any airlines that allow you to transfer to hotels. Usually airlines are the end of the road for transfers. Most hotels do allow you to transfer to airlines though Marriott/SPG are the only ones that I can think of where this is even remotely a good idea. Thinking Hilton’s 10:1 ratio for example. 


https://www.virginatlantic.com/gb/en/flying-club/partners/hotels/intercontinental.html

 

"Flying Club members can exchange their miles for IHG® Rewards Club points at a rate of 1 Flying Club mile for 1 IHG® Rewards Club point...Minimum Level: 10,000 miles and then in increments of 5,000. Just call your Flying Club Helpline with your IHG® Rewards Club account number."

Personal spend: Amex Gold, Amex Schwab Plat., BofA PR+CCR(x2), Costco
Business use: Amex Bus. Plat., BBP, Lowes Amex AU, CFU AU
Perks: Delta Plat., United Explorer, IHG49, Hyatt, "Old SPG"
Mostly SD: Freedom Flex, Freedom, Arrival
Upgrade/Downgrade games: ED, BCE
SUB chasing: AA Platinum Select
Message 25 of 54
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?


@wasCB14 wrote:

@redpat wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@wasCB14 wrote:

CSR doesn't give rewards on the $300 anymore, so it's more like $75 more...but by the time you've even met minimum spend the difference is small.

 

And if you don't put much travel/dining spend on it, there's not much reason to cool off the bonus chasing to get either Sapphire card.


I spend a ton on dining every year (talking at least $3,000)... Way too much to be honest. Travel spending would be moderate but not as much as frequent travelers. I'd use miles and hotel points, but they may not cover the cost of an entire trip. I think I'd get a UR mostly for Hyatt points... I love their hotels and the earning rate would be better than the actual Hyatt cards themselves, and then the free nights aren't exactly a ton of points either for what you earn on Chase cards. 


MDV, you are just a pup w/ 3k annually, try personal & biz between 18k - 20k, lol!


Ageed, that's not a lot of travel or dining spend.

 

The earn rate of CSP isn't that much better than the new Hyatt card:

CSP: 2x on dining and a very broad travel category

Hyatt: 4x at Hyatt, 2x on dining and airfare/taxis/mass transit/tolls...gyms, too.

 

Plus Hyatt has a 60k bonus and a renewal night.

 

So maybe just go for the cobrand card? I don't know if it's Silly/24-friendly, though.


It is when you add in a 5x category with the Freedom. 

Message 26 of 54
redpat
Senior Contributor

Re: Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?


@Anonymous wrote:

@wasCB14 wrote:

@redpat wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@wasCB14 wrote:

CSR doesn't give rewards on the $300 anymore, so it's more like $75 more...but by the time you've even met minimum spend the difference is small.

 

And if you don't put much travel/dining spend on it, there's not much reason to cool off the bonus chasing to get either Sapphire card.


I spend a ton on dining every year (talking at least $3,000)... Way too much to be honest. Travel spending would be moderate but not as much as frequent travelers. I'd use miles and hotel points, but they may not cover the cost of an entire trip. I think I'd get a UR mostly for Hyatt points... I love their hotels and the earning rate would be better than the actual Hyatt cards themselves, and then the free nights aren't exactly a ton of points either for what you earn on Chase cards. 


MDV, you are just a pup w/ 3k annually, try personal & biz between 18k - 20k, lol!


Ageed, that's not a lot of travel or dining spend.

 

The earn rate of CSP isn't that much better than the new Hyatt card:

CSP: 2x on dining and a very broad travel category

Hyatt: 4x at Hyatt, 2x on dining and airfare/taxis/mass transit/tolls...gyms, too.

 

Plus Hyatt has a 60k bonus and a renewal night.

 

So maybe just go for the cobrand card? I don't know if it's Silly/24-friendly, though.


It is when you add in a 5x category with the Freedom. 


Better yet, use Chase's shopping portal.  I picked up 6 bonus points from HP and 2 bonus points from staples for biz expenses, 7x on my ink+ card.  Personally I hit Macy's for 5 bounus points for 6x last week.

Personal Cards: Amex Delta Res | CSR | Citi AA Exec Business Cards: Ink+ | Amex BBP
Message 27 of 54
K-in-Boston
Epic Contributor

Re: Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?


@wasCB14 wrote:

@K-in-Boston wrote:

@wasCB14 wrote:

@TheBoondocks wrote:

I heard that you can also transfer indirectly, so I know with Virgin Atlantic, you could transfer to IHG at 1:1, if you do it directly than the fees will be charged. I don't know why they do it but everybody have to make money lol.


A couple things here...

 

MRs do not transfer to IHG. URs do but it's a poor value.

 

IHG points do transfer to Virgin Atlantic, but 10k IHG gives only 2k Virgin Atlantic.

 

I don't know if Virgin Atlantic transfers to IHG, but if it's 1:1 it seems wasteful.

 

URs and MRs both transfer to Virgin Atlantic directly. Since it's a British airline, neither Amex nor Chase pays an excise tax, so there's no tax for Amex to pass on to customers.

 

And there's no tax for transfers to hotels. And even if IHG was an airline, it's British and not domestic, so there would be no tax.


I am not aware of any airlines that allow you to transfer to hotels. Usually airlines are the end of the road for transfers. Most hotels do allow you to transfer to airlines though Marriott/SPG are the only ones that I can think of where this is even remotely a good idea. Thinking Hilton’s 10:1 ratio for example. 


https://www.virginatlantic.com/gb/en/flying-club/partners/hotels/intercontinental.html

 

"Flying Club members can exchange their miles for IHG® Rewards Club points at a rate of 1 Flying Club mile for 1 IHG® Rewards Club point...Minimum Level: 10,000 miles and then in increments of 5,000. Just call your Flying Club Helpline with your IHG® Rewards Club account number."


Thanks for that!  I hate speaking in absolutes, but usually once you have miles there's no moving them.  Looks like Virgin is different in this way, as well as all of the other differences I knew about.  Hilton looks to be 2 Virgin : 3 Hilton (which is much better than the other way around which is 10 Hilton : 1.5 Virgin).  Kaligo would be the other one.  So not something I would take advantage of (but might be good for someone who stays at Hilton or IHG properties and finds themselves with VS miles that they won't use), but I'll remember that the next time I call airline miles the "end of the road."

Message 28 of 54
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?

Looks Amex Travel Portal also charges $6.99 per domestic air ticket or $10.99 per international air ticket, only waived for Platinum Card.

Message 29 of 54
K-in-Boston
Epic Contributor

Re: Why does AMEX charge an Excise fee/tax?


@Anonymous wrote:

Looks Amex Travel Portal also charges $6.99 per domestic air ticket or $10.99 per international air ticket, only waived for Platinum Card.


That's true, but it's not an excise tax.  That's a service fee just for using Amex Travel, which you'd pay no matter how you're actually paying for the flight (points or cash), and it's substantially less than the $39 per ticket they would charge if you called to book the flight(s).

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