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Help with over CL and Credit History?

Hi,
 
Great Forum here. I have read and learned much info but I am still a little confused about a couple of areas and I hope I can get some info here.
 
I am trying to prepare to buy my first house in about two years and here is some info and my plan.
 
I have 7 open accounts: 6 revolving and 1 car loan.
My Credit History on my reports show 9 years of history with 21 accounts in history and as mentioned I currently have 7 open accounts. I have never had a baddie on any of my accounts except one and unfortunately it is on an old car loan that is now payed off but I had Nine 30 days late. The last 30 day late will become two years old in March of 2008.
 
I am at 97% utilization on my 6 revolving accounts and all 6 are at about 30% interest rate. I guess this is due to high utilization and the 30 day lates on my old auto loan so they all went to Universal Default but I have never been late on a revolving account just the auto loan.
 
I have decided to take a 15 month loan from my 401k account. I want to pay all revolving accounts down to zero or 10% or less.
 
My questions are on two of these accounts. I want to pay them off and close them but don't know if I should or not?
 
My accounts are:
American Xpress Gold opened 6/2002
Macys opened 4/2000
WAMU opened 8/1998
Discover opened 7/2002
First Premier opened 4/1999
HouseHold Finance opened 11/2002
 
I want to pay off and close First Premier and HouseHold Finance as I think these are sub-prime accounts and I don't want them anymore.
 
My First Premier account shows as over CL $1970 and credit limit of $1900. Should I pay this off and ask for credit limit increase to get above the over CL and wait a couple of months and then close?
 
I also have charges that are higher than my Credit limit for both WAMU and Discover. I of course want these accounts open. I guess I will ask for credit limit increase after I pay down to get my CL above the highest amount owed.
 
Should I get (ask for) the Credit Limit increased before I close an account or does it matter? Once I get the utilization from 97% to under 10% can I get my interest rates reduced from 30% to under 10% on my Discover and WAMU? The 401k loan will get me out of this mess with a much lower rate.
 
Should I close the crummy First Premier and HFC accounts as I consider them sub-prime?
 
My current scores are
TU 669
EQ 652
EX 652
 
It says if I pay down 90% of my utilization (about $30k) my scores will go to 702 to 742 (wow. The 700 club) and this is with the nine 30 days late on one account!
 
Thanks for the advice. I want this utilization down and never again but I am confused on over CL and closing the two accounts that I consider sub-prime.
 
Thanks and sorry for the long post.
 
RR




Message Edited by RR on 12-02-2007 12:09 PM
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ShanetheMortgageMan
Super Contributor

Re: Help with over CL and Credit History?

Are any of the accounts charging you annual fees to keep them open?  If not then I don't think it's a good idea to close them, they aren't hurting your scores by keeping them at $0 balance and keeping them open... and each month of continued credit reporting history will actually help your scores (even though they are sub-prime) as well.  For your eventual goal, buying a home, mortgage lenders don't differentiate between prime & sub-prime credit cards, a credit card is a credit card... a variety of trade lines (like AMEX open account & car loans) would help improve your score too, if you don't already have a variety of trade lines.  I wouldn't think you could ask for a CL increase after you close an account, once it's closed, what would be the motivation for the credit card issuer to increase your credit limit?
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jackg
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Re: Help with over CL and Credit History?

Just a suggestion but I think your chances of getting a helpful reply would be greatly improved if you could ask 2 or at most 3 questions to begin with. Digest that info and come back with with 2 or 3 more.
What you posted is too much info for anyone to deal with.
FICO scores on November 17, 2014 (prior to applying for and being approved my mortgage)

EX=738
EQ=735
TU=754

FICO scores on March 4, 2015 after being approved for mortgage and buying the home, the mortgage isn't yet reporting.
EX- 689 EQ- 739 TU- 739
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ShanetheMortgageMan
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Re: Help with over CL and Credit History?



jackg wrote:


Is this the jackg?
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Anonymous
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Re: Help with over CL and Credit History?

Thanks Shane. What I meant was I show the highest amount owed on the the First premier as $1970 but my limit is $1900. I have read here that this is almost as bad as a late. I am asking if I should get the CL raised "FIRST" so that the new credit limit is higher than the highest amount owed wait a couple of months and then close so that the CL is HIGHER than the highest amount charged before I close it.
 
Also, I have read many of your posts here. It is always good info. I have visited several caluculator sites to get an idea of how much home I can afford. The basic calculators seem to differ from the ones I have found on the Country Wide site.
 
Lets say I get my FICO up to 720. Credit utilization under 10% on revolving accounts. Maybe $150 each month. Car payment of $350 each month. $9000 a month gross salary. 14 years at same Company.  Looking to buy first home. I live/work in San Jose, CA but house prices are insane here. Thinking of buying in Sacramento.
 
Let's say I have $50k down. How much house can I afford? Country Wide Calculator is stating over $500k but this seems high to me and a little scary..
 
Any advice you might have with above info and I am a First Time buyer. Is Country Wide a good place to get a loan? Should I try to pre-approve on my own before I visit a Realator or visit Realator first?
 
Thanks.


Message Edited by RR on 12-02-2007 01:03 PM
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Anonymous
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Re: Help with over CL and Credit History?

RR sorry, I have to reiterate what Jack said.  You will probably get more meaning ful and helpful answers chopping this down a bit.  Like they say, the easiet way to eat an elephant is one spoon at a time.
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jackg
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Re: Help with over CL and Credit History?

Shane,
 
I don't know how to answer that?
FICO scores on November 17, 2014 (prior to applying for and being approved my mortgage)

EX=738
EQ=735
TU=754

FICO scores on March 4, 2015 after being approved for mortgage and buying the home, the mortgage isn't yet reporting.
EX- 689 EQ- 739 TU- 739
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Anonymous
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Re: Help with over CL and Credit History?

The 30 day late have (from my under standing) no longer have an effect on FICO after 2 years.

You are right about getting the UTL down- in your situation the 401K loan is good plan-

You should also ask the CCC to reduce the rates-
I have successfully had all of my reduced back to pre-default rates.
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ShanetheMortgageMan
Super Contributor

Re: Help with over CL and Credit History?

jackg, I helped a fellow buy a home in Michigan a couple years ago who also went by "jackg" on the internet websites... that is why I ask if you are the jackg  Smiley Wink
 
RR, I gotcha now... yeah, if you plan on closing the account, then definitely ask for a CL first.  But think about what I said about them charging an annual fee, if they don't, then don't close it is my suggestion.
 
That "how much can I afford" question is a little loaded... do you mean how much can you qualify for?  How much you can afford is a personal question, but qualifications basically say your debt ratio would have to be 45% or below if you are going for a jumbo loan amount (over $417k on a 1-unit), so with that said... $500k seems pretty probable as far as the home price.  That kind of price would buy you a huge home in the Sacramento area though, probably wouldn't need something that big (or maybe you would?).
 
The only thing wrong with Countrywide is that their rates are quite a bit higher than other places, they expect people to use them because they are... Countrywide, brand name recognition sells their services.  I know this because my wife interviewed with them, compared their rates to what I could offer someone through Countrywide's wholesale division, and they were about 1/2% higher than my rates.  OK I lied, the other thing that is wrong with Countrywide is that quite a few of their employees are "green" to the industry, meaning they haven't had a whole lot of experience when it comes to doing mortgages, seeing market trends, etc. They are taught to sell, not give "mortgage financial planning advice".  This is not always the case though, I know of a great Countrywide LO who I am trusting to give my father-in-law a mortgage because I am not able to do a loan in his state, and she's doing an excellent job (she's also been in the industry for 6 years though).  The rate is OK, not the best, but when it comes down to purchasing a home... rates aren't everything though, you really want to make sure you are working with someone who has a full understandig of your situation/needs.  On a refinance the rate/terms are more important, but on a purchase you want someone who is always going to be there to answer every question, and pretty much any time you have them, and/or get back to you within a reasonable amount of time (no having to call or email 2-3 times just to get a response, etc.).
 
If you want to keep your rates low then look for homes to where after your down payment, you wouldn only be financing $417k or less... as those are considering conforming loan amounts, and thus qualify for lower rates than a jumbo loan amount... further the debt ratio can go up to 64.99% on a conforming loan amount, whereas the jumbo's, like I mentioned before, like to see 45% or below.
 
If you like the Bay Area, but are considering Sacramento, I'd think about somewhere inbetween... perhaps the Tracy/Mountain House market, Antioch, etc.  In a year or two (when you think you'd be ready) the prices should be low enough there so you can find a good deal and still have a nice short (relative) commute to the Bay Area.

Definitely get pre-approved before you look for a home, you'll really need to go over your anticipated payments to make sure you are comfortable with the home you are looking at... each home is different, some have homeowners assocation fees, some have mello-roos tax (for new neighborhoods), some would require more expensive homeowners insurance than others, tax rates are different, etc.  Your mortgage professional would go over each home's anticipated payment with you to make sure it fits your budget before you make an offer.  Further, most real estate agents won't work with someone who isn't pre-approved... as it could be a waste of time, ya know?  And it's Realtor Smiley Wink
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haulingthescoreup
Moderator Emerita

Re: Help with over CL and Credit History?

Hi, RR --looks like most of your questions are taken care of, but I wanted to toss this in, too: Once you've got your util down, only allow half of all your TL's to report, and only allow fewer than half of your CC's to report. TU loves it when you do this, and so do the others --this is what helped my recent 11/22 score jump.

So in your case, with 7 total TL's and 6 CC's, that means let the car loan and only two CC's report a balance (those CC's should be 9% or less of their individual CL's.) Have the other cards PIF'd (paid in full.) Time your payments to get them to the proper figure before your statements drop, because that is usually the $ figure that is reported to the CRA's. You should get a great response from this, and it appears that if you keep doing it, the scores keep climbing. You can have different cards report if you like; just make sure that each one gets used (not necessarily reporting) at least once every 6 months, and only two show a balance at any one time.

If you decide to do this, it is going to affect the decision to close those two CC's. The numbers won't change if you close one, but they will change if you close two. Then you'll only have 5 TL's and 4 cards, which means trying to have only the car loan and one CC reporting. So I agree with the others --only close if they have fees (I suspect the First Premie does), raise the CL on the other and let it show up on your credit reports at least once before closing, and if you're going to close both of them, you might want to get another and better CC first. And I am absolutely the last person on these forums telling people to go app for cards! Smiley Very Happy
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