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Is there any truth to having a higher average card limit means a better car insurance score?

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urbex
Regular Contributor

Is there any truth to having a higher average card limit means a better car insurance score?

I'm at that point in my life where I can start fine tuning my credit portfolio after seeing a high score, being stupid and bottoming it out to the point that I was getting denied for even lousy secured credit cards for a couple years, and finally back in the 750+ range with a mortgage, car loan, and 22 credit cards totaling over $125K in combined limits. 

 

I've read in a few places that the CBIS car insurance scores take in to account the average credit card limits, meaning that having a bunch of low limit cards brings down my average limits and potentially causes a jump in car insurance rates, but I'm not finding much on this one way or the other.

 

I have way more cards than I can keep track of now, only using 2 of them on a regular basis, and mentally can't keep up with use this card for this perk, that card for that perk, etc.  Rotating categories are just flat a no go for me, lol.  I know at some point I'm going to risk having a number of these things auto close for inactivity, slamming my AAoA and UTL.  Though the UTL could be mitigated easily, as most of it is sitting on 0% cards that I could pay off tomorrow if I had to. 

 

My 3 oldest cards are a Cap1 and two Chase general cards that I can easily drop a montly bill on, but I don't enough monthly recurrings to keep all of the non store cards going like this.  I have 7 store cards, 6 of which I haven't touched in years, and only got them for some sort of promo financing deals (number 7 being the Amazon Prime card which does get used monthly). 

 

Would I better off focusing on keeping the highest limit cards active to increase the average card limit number, and either letting the low limit cards auto close or even just close them myself? 

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Is there any truth to having a higher average card limit means a better car insurance score?


@urbex wrote:

I'm at that point in my life where I can start fine tuning my credit portfolio after seeing a high score, being stupid and bottoming it out to the point that I was getting denied for even lousy secured credit cards for a couple years, and finally back in the 750+ range with a mortgage, car loan, and 22 credit cards totaling over $125K in combined limits. 

 

I've read in a few places that the CBIS car insurance scores take in to account the average credit card limits, meaning that having a bunch of low limit cards brings down my average limits and potentially causes a jump in car insurance rates, but I'm not finding much on this one way or the other.

 

I have way more cards than I can keep track of now, only using 2 of them on a regular basis, and mentally can't keep up with use this card for this perk, that card for that perk, etc.  Rotating categories are just flat a no go for me, lol.  I know at some point I'm going to risk having a number of these things auto close for inactivity, slamming my AAoA and UTL.  Though the UTL could be mitigated easily, as most of it is sitting on 0% cards that I could pay off tomorrow if I had to. 

 

My 3 oldest cards are a Cap1 and two Chase general cards that I can easily drop a montly bill on, but I don't enough monthly recurrings to keep all of the non store cards going like this.  I have 7 store cards, 6 of which I haven't touched in years, and only got them for some sort of promo financing deals (number 7 being the Amazon Prime card which does get used monthly). 

 

Would I better off focusing on keeping the highest limit cards active to increase the average card limit number, and either letting the low limit cards auto close or even just close them myself? 


I'm going to tag  @Thomas_Thumb  on this because he knows something about insurance scores.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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pizzadude
Credit Mentor

Re: Is there any truth to having a higher average card limit means a better car insurance score?

Moving to General Credit

 

Also see this thread for some recent discussion on this topic

March2010 FICO® ~ 695 TU, 653 EQ, 697 EX
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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Is there any truth to having a higher average card limit means a better car insurance score?


@urbex wrote:

I've read in a few places that the CBIS car insurance scores take in to account the average credit card limits, meaning that having a bunch of low limit cards brings down my average limits and potentially causes a jump in car insurance rates, but I'm not finding much on this one way or the other.

 

I have way more cards than I can keep track of now, only using 2 of them on a regular basis, and mentally can't keep up with use this card for this perk, that card for that perk, etc.  Rotating categories are just flat a no go for me, lol.  I know at some point I'm going to risk having a number of these things auto close for inactivity, slamming my AAoA and UTL.  

 

My 3 oldest cards are a Cap1 and two Chase general cards that I can easily drop a montly bill on, but I don't enough monthly recurrings to keep all of the non store cards going like this.  I have 7 store cards, 6 of which I haven't touched in years, and only got them for some sort of promo financing deals (number 7 being the Amazon Prime card which does get used monthly). 

 

Would I better off focusing on keeping the highest limit cards active to increase the average card limit number, and either letting the low limit cards auto close or even just close them myself? 


Both TU CBIS and LexisNexis CBIS consider average credit limit of cards in scoring. Top tier for TU was $9k and $10.5 k for LN. Feel free to close low limit cards especially if they are store cards you don't use. One exception for closure would be keeping an old LL card if it is your oldest card.

 

Closed cards count toward AAoA as long as they remain on your credit report, typically 10 years.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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urbex
Regular Contributor

Re: Is there any truth to having a higher average card limit means a better car insurance score?

Oh, right...I keep forgetting that my oldest account still shows as a student loan that was closed a decade ago, though due to fall off at some point this year.  Thankfully, my 3 oldest, though still open, cards are general Visa/Mastercard cards through Cap1 and Chase with decent limits.  I know I have some older cards that I have closed in years past that will still on the report for several years - mostly my early secured rebuilder cards and a couple with AFs. 

 

I also have a few $20K+ cards that I can easily hit a $10K average with slicing off a few of those LL cards. 

 

Thanks much!

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Is there any truth to having a higher average card limit means a better car insurance score?


@urbex wrote:

Oh, right...I keep forgetting that my oldest account still shows as a student loan that was closed a decade ago, though due to fall off at some point this year. 

 

Not necessarily. Sometimes closed accounts continue to be reported for well more than 10 years. There's nothing magical about 10 years, it's just a typical duration.

 

Thankfully, my 3 oldest, though still open, cards are general Visa/Mastercard cards through Cap1 and Chase with decent limits.  I know I have some older cards that I have closed in years past that will still on the report for several years - mostly my early secured rebuilder cards and a couple with AFs. 

 

I also have a few $20K+ cards that I can easily hit a $10K average with slicing off a few of those LL cards. 

 

Thanks much!


 


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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urbex
Regular Contributor

Re: Is there any truth to having a higher average card limit means a better car insurance score?

I figured assuming that it would drop after 10 years, and planning around that would be safer than hoping it would linger for longer.  If it sticks around longer, happy bonus!

 

Though I'm pretty sure at this point, anything I do is going to be incrementally small changes rather than any one thing resulting in a "well...darn...that's gonna hurt for a while" kind of thing.

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IsambardPrince
Established Contributor

Re: Is there any truth to having a higher average card limit means a better car insurance score?


@urbex wrote:

I figured assuming that it would drop after 10 years, and planning around that would be safer than hoping it would linger for longer.  If it sticks around longer, happy bonus!

 

Though I'm pretty sure at this point, anything I do is going to be incrementally small changes rather than any one thing resulting in a "well...darn...that's gonna hurt for a while" kind of thing.


Surprisingly, my insurance score isn't horrible despite having a bankruptcy. It's actually quite decent.

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