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Re: practical value of a huge credit limit?

If you use Credit Check Total, you can get the two credit pulls for $1 each.  Not $60.

 

Brutal Body Shots knows all about it.

 

Getting a single unified pull of all three scores on the exact same instant (possible with CCT) would be valuable in a test situation like this.

 

Thanks for the heads up about your reason codes.  My understanding is that CCT may give you up to four reason codes if applicable.  (Brutal Body Shots would know for sure I bet.)  No revolving balances is a fairly strong reason code and might appear at number 3. 

 

Knowing a certain answer to this would be good for you too.  If your 50k tradelines are being dropped from your util calculation that's important to know.  In that event, pulling the 50k card you use least down to 49k might give you a bunch more total credit limit for util purposes.  That's not a good idea, however, until we can get a clear answer to the question: Are 50k CL cards dropped from the FICO 8 utilization?  Need to know the theory answer first -- practical steps would follow from that.

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iced
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Re: practical value of a huge credit limit?

I may be able to do one better. Since both are Chase cards, it's easy enough to call in and move  $X k, making for a 50+X k and a 50-X k card in a month. I can then move them back to 50/50 in February and check again. I wouldn't want to do this more than once or twice though, lest I risk annoying Chase with my constant CL juggling...

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Anonymous
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Re: practical value of a huge credit limit?

I agree with you that the CL juggling is a bad idea until we have a definite idea that 50k cards are being dropped from util.  Definitely don't want to annoy Chase. The method I gave you is rock solid reliable (it was brought up by another guy on this thread), painless and very cheap.

 

Glad to know that your 50k cards are both Chase.  I believe that Chase does mid-cycle reporting when you pay a balance to $0.  Thus, if a credit card has a typical statement date of the 10th of the month, you could let it report $100 on the 10th, pay the card down to $0 on the 15th, and then probably on the 17th or so Chase would report that $0 to the CRAs mid-cycle.  The CRAs would have everything updated by the 25th or so.

 

If we could get the theory question answered, we could then juggle your CLs (to 51/49 say).

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iced
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Re: practical value of a huge credit limit?

 

Getting a $0 balance on either card would be problematic as I tend to charge daily on one card and several times per week on the other. Even with a payment, by the time it is applied to the account, there'll be fresh charges on there. I'm not keen on moving spending around on those two cards as I'm then losing out on higher point accumulation in the name of curiosity.....

 

However, that's not important right now. I *can* report a $0 on the third card and see if I get the message you indicated.

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Anonymous
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Re: practical value of a huge credit limit?

Duh!  You are totally right.  If that third card (CL < 29k) has been reporting a positive balance the last two months, then paying that third card to $0 is absolutely the way to go.

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Anonymous
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Re: practical value of a huge credit limit?

I'm curious to hear the results of this experiment.

 

CCT does provide one with up to 4 reason codes from each bureau upon pulling scores for $1.

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CreditDunce
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Re: practical value of a huge credit limit?

Here is a post where they tested using the no cards with balances trick.  Back when these threads were written there were not the free/cheap ways to get your scores and reason codes.  The testing doesn't seem to be as rigorous. 

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Large-Limit-Cards-Counted/td-p/336065

 

Most of the threads were about HELOCs.  Here is an example:

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/HELOC-Revolving-or-Installment/td-p/29835...

Most of the threads seem to assume HELOCs and CC's have the same cutoff's.  There are probably some threads I missed.

 

Here are some other threads that mention the cutoff values, but don't have much if any proof. 

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/How-does-your-HELOC-report-balance-to-CRA...

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Line-of-Credit-that-reports-as-installmen...

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Mortgage-Loans/Question-on-HELOC-Utilization-calculation/m-p/737844#...

 

For those testing, don't forget Experian and Discover now offer free EX-08 classic scores.  It is the same score Amex and Chase Slate give, but you can choose the date you get the score. 

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CreditDunce
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Re: practical value of a huge credit limit?


CreditGuyInDixie wrote:I realize that eventually you can have billionaires who might drop 20k on a bottle of wine or charter a plane for 50k or buy a 2 million dollar ring (or whatever), but I excluded those from consideration in my first post.  I am imagining a person who is really well off (200k income maybe?) -- what situation might he gain a real benefit from having the card with the big CL?

 


 

I don't think someone grossing 200k needs a 50k CL.  If they spend within their means, they simply don't need a limit that big.  The only way it could come in handy is via a MS trick.  You mentioned opening a bank account earlier.  Another MS "trick" is to buy stuff cheaply using a rewards credit card.  Then reselling it via Amazon/Ebay/etc.  Some go so far as having stuff manufactured (e.g. selfie stick) in China to resell.  I read about it on a MS site, but it sounds to me like they crossed the line into running an import business. 

 

The only other way I can think of using a massive credit line is using a 0% BT offer.  In the old days, you could deposit the money in a savings account earning 5%+ interest.  Over the course of the BT, you would make a little bit of money.  Now you would need to invest the cash in the stock market, probably with some kind of option trading.  Perhaps cheaper than margin trading, but still gambling. 

 

It is a stretch, but in theory, you could have an opportunity where you need to purchase something very quickly.  For example, using a BT offer to buy a cheap house.  Again it would be very risky if you couldn't flip it quickly.

 

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909
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Re: practical value of a huge credit limit?

I have no idea if this is helpful...

These are my four most recent myFICO alerts:

11/25 - EX alerts: my Amex BCE CL increased from $20k to $50K; Amex balance increased from $0 to $1025; no change in score (791)

11/27 - TU alerts: my total balance on bank cards changed (new balance is $1134; last alert 2 weeks ago said it was $109; $109+$1025=$1134); Your FICO score has dropped to 780 from 783.

7 revolvers $108K CL, $1134 total balance.

Things that changed: my Amex BCE CL increased from $20K to $50K; my BC balance increased from $109 to $1134; I now have balances on two cards ($109 and $1025)

I can't draw any conclusions but perhaps y'all can?

Fico 8 Scores
7/2020: EQ - 842; TU - 832; EX - 848
10/2017: EQ - 823; TU - 835; EX - 824
05/2016: EQ - 712; TU - 706; EX - 710
11/2015: EQ - 694; TU - 651; EX - 653
5/2015: EQ - 670
5/2014: EQ - 653
11/2013: EQ - 645
05/2013: EQ - 656
11/2012: EQ - 646

Eight CCs ($179,500 CL, 0%-1% UTIL)
AoOA = 18.6 years, AAoA = 60 mos., AoYA = 18 mos.
One mortgage, one HELOC, no car loans.
Derogs from 2009 and 2010 now gone after 7 years. I started paying attention to credit scores in about 2014. It's taken a few years but credit scores are now good after starting in the high 500s back in 2011

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Anonymous
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Re: practical value of a huge credit limit?

Hi 909.  It's hard to know what to make of it, but I promise you that you can absolutely help us out if we run a structured test for this on your profile.

 

You have an Amex BCE with a credit limit of 50k.  Is that right?

 

Do you have any other big CL cards?

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