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Exactly! The zeal to teach and help is so strong that many here don't stop to ask themselves:
1. Am I sure that what I'm presenting as fact is really true?
2. Am I sure that, in giving advice, I understand the advisee's situation and priorities?
This is a message board. I would not take everything everybody says for gospel. But if there appears to be consensus about a question, might not be bad advise.
@jeffery581 wrote:RE:
Exactly! The zeal to teach and help is so strong that many here don't stop to ask themselves:
1. Am I sure that what I'm presenting as fact is really true?
2. Am I sure that, in giving advice, I understand the advisee's situation and priorities?
This is a message board. I would not take everything everybody says for gospel. But if there appears to be consensus about a question, might not be bad advise.
That would depend on the people forming the consensus. Uninformed people can reach a consensus quickly. Informed, detail-oriented people may take ages to work out the minutiae.
I will gladly take our myfico community over other similar communities out there. We help and encourage each other here and it's a great thing to see.
@AverageJoesCredit wrote:
Sounds to me someone got scorned and blames others. This site offers wonderful advice but at the end of the day, one has to either accept it or do what they feel is right. No one is FORCED to follow advice. Similar to when you see all these bad reviews for something, chances are its from people who werent doing things right and expect immediate satisfaction then go to gripe so no one else will give their business. sure it easy to follow the leader here but that can happen with any thing you follow.
+1 AverageJoes
@jeffery581 wrote:Yes, We are better.
My fico score went from 534 to 739.
This website has helped me repair and build my credit.
Good rewards on the money I spend.
I have seen no favoritism.
You ask for advice you get it.
You ask for opinions you get them.
You also have to use a little common sense.
Before I joined this website I did not know anything about credit. Now, I bet I could give accurate and correct advise on just about anything credit related. (toot toot)
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@wasCB14 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@jeffery581 wrote:
Before I joined this website I did not know anything about credit. Now, I bet I could give accurate and correct advise on just about anything credit related. (toot toot)
Really? Well, maybe! One of the "flaws" I have seen on this site (much more than say FT) is overly-confident advice, that is often distilled from posts that have repeated over the years, which may no longer be true, if they ever were. These are things like "Bank X likes/hates thing Y [carrying a balance, doing BT, getting other cards etc]"
That, and not so much YMMV as much as Your Need May Vary: while I want to get $25M in total CL, that might not be your goal, so me telling you to go for all the CLIs you can get might not be the right advice.
But maybe jeffery581 does have all the knowledge....
Exactly! The zeal to teach and help is so strong that many here don't stop to ask themselves:
1. Am I sure that what I'm presenting as fact is really true?
2. Am I sure that, in giving advice, I understand the advisee's situation and priorities?
Sometimes people like to go for FOTM cards, and sometimes we assume that people with similar cards have similar needs and finances.
I'm not worried about someone here trying to sell me something; I'm worried that they are speaking well beyond their expertise and that no one will correct them in a timely manner.
My comment about the "anonymous" source's excellent credit was relevant to establish that AJC was wrong in speculating that the source has bad credit, blames others, and is unhappy after following advice on this website.
I wasn't saying that credit-smart people always have high FICO scores, or that all people with high FICO scores know a lot about credit. Rebuilders can learn a lot, and people who just pay their bills on time can have excellent scores without any advanced knowledge.
Well, some people find it difficult to 'correct' someone, or to voice an opinion that said person might have done the wrong thing, etc. Such comments often result in dire warnings/reminders to be only friendly and respectful. So when someone posts about how they applied for a dozen new store cards, the people who want to state that they did the wrong thing and start a discussion, would risk a complaint of a personal attack if they said what they really thought about the situation. So all that gets posted are a dozen Congrats, instead of corrections/discussions that might help future readers that might otherwise be tempted to repeat the mistake.
@Themanwhocan wrote:
@wasCB14 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@jeffery581 wrote:
Before I joined this website I did not know anything about credit. Now, I bet I could give accurate and correct advise on just about anything credit related. (toot toot)
Really? Well, maybe! One of the "flaws" I have seen on this site (much more than say FT) is overly-confident advice, that is often distilled from posts that have repeated over the years, which may no longer be true, if they ever were. These are things like "Bank X likes/hates thing Y [carrying a balance, doing BT, getting other cards etc]"
That, and not so much YMMV as much as Your Need May Vary: while I want to get $25M in total CL, that might not be your goal, so me telling you to go for all the CLIs you can get might not be the right advice.
But maybe jeffery581 does have all the knowledge....
Exactly! The zeal to teach and help is so strong that many here don't stop to ask themselves:
1. Am I sure that what I'm presenting as fact is really true?
2. Am I sure that, in giving advice, I understand the advisee's situation and priorities?
Sometimes people like to go for FOTM cards, and sometimes we assume that people with similar cards have similar needs and finances.
I'm not worried about someone here trying to sell me something; I'm worried that they are speaking well beyond their expertise and that no one will correct them in a timely manner.
My comment about the "anonymous" source's excellent credit was relevant to establish that AJC was wrong in speculating that the source has bad credit, blames others, and is unhappy after following advice on this website.
I wasn't saying that credit-smart people always have high FICO scores, or that all people with high FICO scores know a lot about credit. Rebuilders can learn a lot, and people who just pay their bills on time can have excellent scores without any advanced knowledge.
Well, some people find it difficult to 'correct' someone, or to voice an opinion that said person might have done the wrong thing, etc. Such comments often result in dire warnings/reminders to be only friendly and respectful. So when someone posts about how they applied for a dozen new store cards, the people who want to state that they did the wrong thing and start a discussion, would risk a complaint of a personal attack if they said what they really thought about the situation. So all that gets posted are a dozen Congrats, instead of corrections/discussions that might help future readers that might otherwise be tempted to repeat the mistake.
While what you refer to has happened this site does allow others to express differing views as long as it's done in a friendly manner. You can absolutely tell someone that posts 25 approvals from the SCT that they probably have made a mistake. I certainly have done so. We just dont want someone being told that they were an idiot for doing so. It really comes down to delivery and as long as it's done in a polite way this site doesn't require everyone to be a lemming and say congrats everytime someone goes overboard in applying for credit. There's no doubt that sometimes people do 'dumb' things when it comes to credit. I'm not saying that you have been rude to posters but others have when their point could have been expressed better and delivered the same message. If posters approach these types of siutations as a teaching moment instead of just expressing judgment then the replies will typically be better received and certainly stay within our FSR guidelines.
@jeffery581 wrote:re:
Really? Well, maybe! One of the "flaws" I have seen on this site (much more than say FT) is overly-confident advice, that is often distilled from posts that have repeated over the years, which may no longer be true, if they ever were. These are things like "Bank X likes/hates thing Y [carrying a balance, doing BT, getting other cards etc]"
That, and not so much YMMV as much as Your Need May Vary: while I want to get $25M in total CL, that might not be your goal, so me telling you to go for all the CLIs you can get might not be the right advice.
But maybe jeffery581 does have all the knowledge...
WOW, what an attack!! Your examples of advise i might have given are totally irrational and a bad assumption. I am referring to things like low utilization, low if any inquires, types of credit ect. ect.. It is not that complicated. But you just insulted and attacked me. You assumed way to much. The key word in my post was bet. WOW.
I might ad to my original post. People like to attack other people on here, that's the only thing that is not couth.
Well. it wasn't meant as much as a personal attach, but to be clear your claim was:
Now, I bet I could give accurate and correct advise on just about anything credit related.
which, to me, is far bigger than "low utilization, low if any inquires, types of credit ect. ect."