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2 point EX ding for 1 card over 8.9%?

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Anonymous
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Re: 2 point EX ding for 1 card over 8.9%?

Hello children it's me again, 2 points came back again on EX as soon as Discover reported 1% yesterday, highest individual UTI is now at 3%.
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Anonymous
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Re: 2 point EX ding for 1 card over 8.9%?


@Anonymous wrote:
Hello children it's me again, 2 points came back again on EX as soon as Discover reported 1% yesterday, highest individual UTI is now at 3%.

Thanks for the follow-up, OM.

 

Looks like 3 of us in this thread experienced the same 2 point ding for 1 card over 8.9%.  Good stuff!

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NRB525
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Re: 2 point EX ding for 1 card over 8.9%?

Good info.

As I have said many times in the past, AZEO misleads people. The scoring benefit does not come from the “just one card” part, the benefit comes from lower utilization.

Most who recite AZEO as a method seem not to get this, or if they do understand, they do not pass on this key point.
High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: 2 point EX ding for 1 card over 8.9%?


@NRB525 wrote:

As I have said many times in the past, AZEO misleads people. The scoring benefit does not come from the “just one card” part, the benefit comes from lower utilization.


Well, the benefit can come from both depending on number of accounts with balances.  For someone with many open accounts, the chances of "just 1 card" mattering seems to become less compared to if someone has (say) 2-3 cards.  Lower utilization is of course King to number of accounts with blances, but it can still play a role.

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NRB525
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Re: 2 point EX ding for 1 card over 8.9%?

Do you have an example of someone with no baddies in their file, three cards, each card under 8% utilization, and they see any score change with 1/3 to 2/3 to 3/3?

And to be clear there can be no baddies in the file.
High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: 2 point EX ding for 1 card over 8.9%?


@NRB525 wrote:
Do you have an example of someone with no baddies in their file, three cards, each card under 8% utilization, and they see any score change with 1/3 to 2/3 to 3/3?

And to be clear there can be no baddies in the file.

I think the better question would be do you have an example above where that person doesn't see a score change?  I agree on the no baddies part.  Also a huge factor here as I indicated above is total number of accounts.  If this person only has 3 revolving accounts and that's it on their CR, I'd be very surprised to see no score change at all.  If they have a ton of other accounts like say 10 student loans and other things going on, percentage wise going from 1 --> 2 --> 3 may not matter at all.  It's also worth noting that on many profiles (like mine) Experian doesn't care at all about number of accounts with balances, where I can see 10-15 point drops on TU/EQ for the same number of accounts with balances changing events.

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Anonymous
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Re: 2 point EX ding for 1 card over 8.9%?

Do you guys want me to close all my cards except 3 to test?
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Anonymous
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Re: 2 point EX ding for 1 card over 8.9%?

Sure OM, go for it Smiley Wink

 

I don't really think the 3 cards thing here is relevant, as the test will yield similar results with more accounts, possibly even quicker.  Many people on this forum like CGID and myself believe that the negative reason statement "too many accounts with balances" may apply also to the total integer number of accounts with a balance, not just the percentage of accounts with a balance.  That being said, if you take a profile with twice as many cards... in this case 6 instead of 3, while remaining the same percentage wise (1 of 3 verses 2 of 6... 2 of 3 verses 4 of 6 or example) you'd be doubling the integer number of accounts with a balance.  To me, this just means the chances of a penalty only increases (if you're one of the people that feel integer number matters) if the number of total accounts on one's credit report increases. 

 

Again, when looking at this test I feel it's important to reference report/score changes with respect to only TU and EQ, as EX behaves much differently for many people.

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