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And while we contemplate how much score impact AZ has in the moment, note that score only went down to 780’s. This is due to known recent payment history no doubt, just zero “today” balance.
What happens to a file left with AZ consistently for 6 months or a year? The monthly “Ok” may keep adding for open accounts, but is that sufficient to keep a score in the 780’s long term? Is there another decay factor if AZ continues?
There are a ton of people in the world that are likely at AZ all the time. Unfortunately, we probably won't find many of them here. There are lots of people that [frequently] use their cards and pay them off immediately resulting in balances never being reported. I think it would be very difficult to find such a person and see what happens if they finally let a balance report, or vice versa.
@NRB525 wrote:
@HeavenOhio wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
HO, you don’t have any closed installment loans on your record either?No closed loans.
The first step in any validation might be to try going to AZEO, then back to AZ, without crossing a month, to see if the magnitude is similar for just that change.
That's exactly the plan. I had a $400 balance cut yesterday. That will bring me to my AZEO scores.
AZEO is a logical stopping point right after AZ. My initial plan was to let that card's whole 4.6k balance report. I'm one who's been dinged at numbers below the generally accepted 8.9/28.9, and I figured this would be a good time to test that. But when AZ popped up, I figured that AZEO would be a more appropriate test, so I paid the balance down.
It's for this reason that I never let the balance on my "EO" card be zero, I always make sure it has some positive balance, however small, so that if it reports at a surprising moment in time I'm not left with all zero. (Not an interest generating balance, just not paid down all the way to zero).
The flip side is that it's then possible to have another card report a non-zero balance unexpectedly and have AZE2 instead of AZE1. But that's a much smaller impact, a couple of points, and not 30!
My Experian report has updated with the aforementioned $400 balance. That FICO 8 is back to 807, which is right where it started.
@HeavenOhio wrote:My Experian report has updated with the aforementioned $400 balance. That FICO 8 is back to 807, which is right where it started.
Nice validation.
It appears well established profiles with no open or closed installment loan on file are more sensitive to AZ. As others have said HO likely falls in a thin file category and if there is recent credit, the file would be assigned a (recent credit - thin - aged file) scorecard. Thin credit scorecards are more sensitive to changes in attribute status and recent credit magnifies sensitivity. 850 is still possible based on Ubuntu's posts once the recent credit stigma has passed. However his score was not stable.
My hypothesis is revolving only profiles scoring over 800 points may be receiving a disproportionate number of points from attributes that are associated with revolving account activity. As a result, "no recent revolving activity" would lead to a stronger score response.
Now my DD has a revolving accounts only, thin file - two revolvers to be exact. Her AoOA is 3 years old as are her AoYA and AAoA. Clearly she has no recent credit. She has a nominal score around 760. She still has quite a few revolving account activity points still on the table. Therefore, her point drop if she ever reported AZ is likely to be in the 15 to 20 point range.
Other AZ data points from revolver only files could be insightful.
@Anonymous wrote:
Congratulations. How much of the TU score was due to aging?
These are the apparent TU aging gains.
Here's the full list of scores. I'll address the weird ones in another post. Balances were…
March 18 / April 8 / April 12
Equifax 04 (FICO 5) Classic: 810 / 806 / 810
Transunion 04 (FICO 4) Classic: 807 / 797 / 808
Experian 98 (FICO 2) Classic: 822 / 815 / 822
Equifax 04 (FICO 5) Auto: 828 / 825 /828
Transunion 04 (FICO 4) Auto: 794 / 798 / 809
Experian 98 (FICO 2) Auto: 805 / 786 / 805
Equifax 04 (FICO 5) Bankcard: 819 / 813 / 817
Transunion 04 (FICO 4) Bankcard: 839 / 827 / 840
Experian 98 (FICO 2) Auto: Bankcard: 842 / 830 / 842
Experian 04 (FICO 3) Bankcard: 813 / 817 / 813
Equifax FICO 8 Classic: 815 / 783 / 815
Transunion FICO 8 Classic: 815 (Apr 1) / 778 / 815
Experian FICO 8 Classic: 807 / 782 / 807
Equifax FICO 8 Auto: 784 / 751 / 784
Transunion FICO 8 Auto: 818 / 773 / 821
Experian FICO 8 Auto: 789 / 753 / 789
Equifax FICO 8 Bankcard: 828 / 796 / 828
Transunion FICO 8 Bankcard: 828 / 790 / 832
Experian FICO 8 Bankcard: 826 / 798 / 826
Equifax FICO 9 Classic: 832 / 810 / 832
Transunion FICO 9 Classic: 817 / 794 / 817
Experian FICO 9 Classic: 820 / 798 / 820
Equifax FICO 9 Auto: 847 / 824 / 847
Transunion FICO 9 Auto: 825 / 798 / 825
Experian FICO 9 Auto: 834 / 808 / 834
Equifax FICO 9 Bankcard: 843 / 816 / 843
Transunion FICO 9 Bankcard: 829 / 805 / 829
Experian FICO 9 Bankcard: 832 / 810 / 832