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AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points

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Re: AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points


@Anonymous wrote:

I am pretty sure that I didn't get 62 points solely from an SSL changing utilization from 17% to 8.47%.


I've never heard of a SSL going from above the 8.9% threshold to below it resulting in a gain that large.  My guess is that something else (possibly several things) changed during that span of 2 weeks or whatever it was.

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Re: AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points


@Revelate wrote:

Where this diverges is FICO 8 BC:

  • 1. You have a serious delinquency (60 days past due or greater) or derogatory indicator on your credit report. 
  • 2. You recently missed a payment or had a derogatory indicator reported on your credit report. 
  • 3. You have a short credit history. 
  • 4. You have not established a long revolving and/or open-ended account credit history. 
     

There's our newly found AOYA friend.

Interesting. I've had that reason on all 28 FICO scores up until last month (AoYA 5mos) when it dropped off EQ 8, leaving 27 scores with that reason.

 

Now at AoYA 6mos it's starting to drop off some more scores, like with EX 2. I'll have all 28 scores with reason text posted on June 10, when my next 3B report is available.

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Re: AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I am pretty sure that I didn't get 62 points solely from an SSL changing utilization from 17% to 8.47%.


I've never heard of a SSL going from above the 8.9% threshold to below it resulting in a gain that large.  My guess is that something else (possibly several things) changed during that span of 2 weeks or whatever it was.


It was Thomas_Thumb who pointed out that it was probably from aging plus the 30 points or so from the low utilization. But why didn't those aging points show on my December 4th myFICO 1B TU report? The SSL would have been at 1year on AoOA, AAoA, and AoYA on Dec 1.

 

That was the only account ever on my credit history at that point in time, so that only leaves aging points.

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Revelate
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Re: AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points


@Anonymous wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

Where this diverges is FICO 8 BC:

  • 1. You have a serious delinquency (60 days past due or greater) or derogatory indicator on your credit report. 
  • 2. You recently missed a payment or had a derogatory indicator reported on your credit report. 
  • 3. You have a short credit history. 
  • 4. You have not established a long revolving and/or open-ended account credit history. 
     

There's our newly found AOYA friend.

Interesting. I've had that reason on all 28 FICO scores up until last month (AoYA 5mos) when it dropped off EQ 8, leaving 27 scores with that reason.

 

Now at AoYA 6mos it's starting to drop off some more scores, like with EX 2. I'll have all 28 scores with reason text posted on June 10, when my next 3B report is available.


Yeah I would expect you would have them as you're clean everywhere, just new.

 

In your case much like my Experian adventure in reason codes lately dropping off doesn't mean gone completely, could just be #5.  

 

I've seen it before when I was clean on EQ for a period of time as well, and this was less than 2 years ago which probably means I wasn't on a new file scorecard which your data and another's seem to indicate exists: his switched at the 3 year mark though a singleton data point as we've all seen is a little skeptical.

 

I will probably see it again actually with EQ whenever my 30D late goes to not recent, and my inquiry count gets back to zero... there's just more things that can be "wrong" with a top 8 scorecard and it doesn't help I have a CFA on EX/EQ which adds yet another negative reason code to the mix for me. 

 

Need a pretty narrow file sometimes to really diagnose some things like my TU: for all that I have a 60D late on there, everything else is excruciatingly optimized on that one and the TU FICO 4 score absolutely rewards that... 767 is absurd compared to all data I have seen in the past for derogatories and that TU mortgage score; the interesting thing for me is that on EQ the 30D late might be enough to keep me out of the 800 range so I still might get real reason codes which would make me happy, I hate CMS's that exclude reason codes cause "too pretty".  Another example of our not being able to have nice things.




        
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Re: AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points

BBS Yes, there are a couple things that can differentiate scores on some algorithms beyond scorecard assignment. I listed examples and you listed an example. that’s why we have to ask questions to figure out what scorecard and what other data may affect the score whenever we try to make predictions. And we’re still learning new things every day. As a matter fact now we need to figure out why Scuderia did not get points. Utilization also affects profile and I guess we can say that is profile specific however every profile on the same scorecard reacts the same to changes in utilization we believe. So again on that scorecard profiles act the same.

Scuderia Do you mind providing AooA, AAoA, total number of accounts, whether or not you have or ever had any loans? I assume AoYA is 12 months? # inq Less than 12 months and older than 12 months?
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Re: AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points


@Anonymous wrote:
 As a matter fact now we need to figure out why Scuderia did not get points.

They may show up when an account update triggers it. I saw this with my SSL - the only account on file - reached 1yr. AoOA, AAoA, and AoYA all aged to 1 year together. 

 

Unless you believe an SSL going to 8.47% can cause a +62 point gain on FICO 8 (I do not), I got some points from aging as well. They just didn't show up until the account updated after the 4th of December.

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Re: AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points

You may be exactly right CassieCard. Which cms gave u the info? If MF, they are typically delayed, which might explain both.

Scuderia where did ur scores come from?
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Re: AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points

I got the 3B update today, and all 28 FICO scores went up this month.Minimum gain +9, maximum +29.

 

Some are just incredible.

 

TU 4, +26 [691 to 717]

EQ 5, +13 [708 to 721]

 

My mortgage scores are starting to track closer together now. TU 717, EQ 721, and EX 733.

 

The largest point increases were on the TU 4 scores:

TU 4, +26 [691 to 717]

TU Auto 4, +29 [680 to 709]

TU Bankcard 4, +26 [702 to 728]

 

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Re: AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points


@Anonymous wrote:

I got the 3B update today, and all 28 FICO scores went up this month.Minimum gain +9, maximum +29.

 


You attribute the majority of the gains to AoYA --> 6 months, correct?  What again are the other changes aside from that?  What did AAoA increase to?

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Re: AoYA 6 month threshold - TU +11 points


@Anonymous wrote:

You attribute the majority of the gains to AoYA --> 6 months, correct?  What again are the other changes aside from that?  What did AAoA increase to?


It was definitely AoYA 5mo -> AoYA 6mo that did it. I've found a lot of posts here that casually mention point gains at AoYA 6mo with varying AAoA.

AAoA changed from 9 to 10mo.

 

In the orginal post I added all the score changes that happened on the 1st, from Experian CreditWorks. All EX scores went up on the 1st.

 

'Short revolving history' shifted down on a lot of scores. On some, like EX 2,  it just disappeared. I know it could be at number 5 or something.

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